Welching

Walterp · Aug 10, 2018

yellowbelly said:
That's how democracy works (or should work). A one vote majority is enough - accept the result and move on.

This view is the source of many of our problems.

1. A slender majority, on a decision of crucial importance, is never going to avoid controversy - it will, instead, cause it.

2. Seeking to ram it through, without democratic oversight, was always going to make it worse.

3. Trying to evade a Final Say is asking for more problems.

This much was obvious from the outset - majoritarianism is not the same thing as democracy.

On the OP I sympathise with him but, as FT points out, this is how the world works. The OP may be rightly annoyed, but he also risks sounding naive.

As they say in Pembrokeshire:

'when you think you've rented some ground, you don't have it until you're driving your tractor through the gate'.

Surgery · Aug 10, 2018

Dry Rot said:
Going back to the oroginal question and putting emotions and politics aside, was the son in any position to make a contract in the first place? I don't think so. All he agreed to do was to speak to his family. Yes, an annoying situation but sounds more like a misunderstanding than a breach of contract.

Mother's behaviour is something else and why I remain a bachelor!

The son is in his thirties not a teenager , he is a man not a boy but it would seem he is firmly on the breast still

Walterp · Aug 10, 2018

Surgery said:
The son is in his thirties not a teenager , he is a man not a boy but it would seem he is firmly on the breast still

You don't know much about family dynamics, do you?

wasted years · Aug 10, 2018

If you it makes the OP feel any better I bought a milking parlour for £1200 once off the boss man, and very happy he was too.
His wife accosted my dad at church a few weeks after and said the son reckoned it was worth 2k.
My Dad paid ( I think) much to my disgust.

davieh3350 · Aug 10, 2018

My cousin up in the blackisle sold some icecream (or possibly cheesemaking) equipment to a farmer in Wales a while ago. He was going to square him up once he had sold some cattle... No idea if he's on here and ive no idea what he's called... But if he's read this, and he has sold some cows... Could he send the money to him... We don't want to have to drive down to collect it.

7610 super q · Aug 10, 2018

spin cycle · Aug 10, 2018

Dry Rot said:
Going back to the oroginal question and putting emotions and politics aside, was the son in any position to make a contract in the first place? I don't think so. All he agreed to do was to speak to his family. Yes, an annoying situation but sounds more like a misunderstanding than a breach of contract.

Mother's behaviour is something else and why I remain a bachelor!

thats my take...sounds like it wasn't his decision to make

joe soapy · Aug 10, 2018

Walterp said:
Calling the English what, exactly?

'English'?

Tell me, Jeremy, do you think your hero, the disgraced serial liar and adulterer Boris Johnson, is a good advertisement for English nationalism? Because the majority of Conservative Party members do - they think he'd make a good Prime Minister. Being 'English' isn't an insult, but if he gets to be PM it may feel like one.

On the OP, the complainant is being far too precious - these things happen, he hasn't lost anything, and has learned a valuable lesson very cheaply.

too bloody right, boris is typical englishman forthright and speake his mind, no shillishalling, not like that ....... gove prepared to stab his friends in the back.
he would make a proper PM for true red blooded English men

joe soapy · Aug 10, 2018

davieh3350 said:
My cousin up in the blackisle sold some icecream (or possibly cheesemaking) equipment to a farmer in Wales a while ago. He was going to square him up once he had sold some cattle... No idea if he's on here and ive no idea what he's called... But if he's read this, and he has sold some cows... Could he send the money to him... We don't want to have to drive down to collect it.

the Welsh is strongly religeous, same sort as the chapel in cornwall,
old machinery dealer in callington hated them, said they was mostly the only ones not to be trusted where money was concerned,
hay an straw merchant in hatherliegh used to say the same about dairy farme

Old Boar · Aug 10, 2018

Doesnt Welch mean foreign in Anglo Saxon?

neilo · Aug 10, 2018

joe soapy said:
the Welsh is strongly religeous, same sort as the chapel in cornwall,
old machinery dealer in callington hated them, said they was mostly the only ones not to be trusted where money was concerned,
hay an straw merchant in hatherliegh used to say the same about dairy farme

Prey on you all week, then pray for you at the weekend? That’s how one local ‘chapel man’ was described to me once.

joe soapy · Aug 10, 2018

Old Boar said:
Doesnt Welch mean foreign in Anglo Saxon?

sounds about right, welching on a deal would br forign to a true English man, although perfectly normal to a townie, even an admired trait

caveman · Aug 11, 2018

Surgery said:
thought we had done a verbal deal on some hay with the son , he did say he would check with his family , grass cut hay made so as it was three weeks after speaking and not hearing back so deal done as far as concerned so texted to ask when i could shift them.

This is where it gets interesting , the mother phones up ranting that leave her son alone , it was too cheep and is worth more blah blah being taken back i did say i dont mind if you think its worth more and i would take x amount later in the year of lesser stuff as its to feed cows , she said she would phone back the following day , she didnt.

I left it due to harvest phoned no reply so phoned on an unrecognised phone she picked up so i could see where this was going , shouted screamed and put the phone down but i never had chance to mention both calls after getting the impression i was going to be welched on i had with her were recorded with it clear as xmas that the x amount mentioned etc.

I really dont give a ??ck about the bales but lied too and welchd on i do so given the fact i have it clear as day whats been said by her i feel slighty peed off but in a position she should pay the amount i would have paid to charity , what would others do , thanks

Why would you expect to do a done deal with somebody who never had the authority to do a deal in the first place?
The clue is in, quote, "I'll have to check with the family"
Next time. Talk to the organ grinder first.

Walterp · Aug 11, 2018

caveman said:
Why would you expect to do a done deal with somebody who never had the authority to do a deal in the first place?
The clue is in, quote, "I'll have to check with the family"
Next time. Talk to the organ grinder first.

Lots of examples.

The farmer's son who placed a 'for sale' ad for the family farm in the local paper, before checking with his parents that they actually wanted to sell it and move (they didn't - they just said they did). The first the parents knew was when the mother opened the newspaper - it certainly gave her a shock to see her farm on the market...

I was once told that a neighbour had agreed to rent my place - it was the first I'd heard of it.

The OP is no doubt decent, but he needs to get out more.

It is a wide and wicked world.

caveman · Aug 11, 2018

wasted years said:
What crap you talk.
The 'small band of remoaners' spoke for a nats dick less than half the population!
Look at the gnashing of teeth about paying a bit more for some straw FFS!
A hard Brexit stands to make the price of straw insignificant.

Wrong.
The remoaners speak for just a tad over of a third of the electorate.

Walterp · Aug 11, 2018

caveman said:
Wrong.
The remoaners speak for just a tad over of a third of the electorate.

And 'leavers' speak for another third, and declining.

The obvious conclusion is that the matter ought to have been regarded as settled long ago.

caveman · Aug 11, 2018

Walterp said:
And 'leavers' speak for another third, and declining.

The obvious conclusion is that the matter ought to have been regarded as settled long ago.

The 13 million who didn't vote, didn't care which way the vote went and were prepared to accept the result, however slim the margin.

Walterp · Aug 11, 2018

caveman said:
The 13 million who didn't vote, didn't care which way the vote went and were prepared to accept the result, however slim the margin.

That's a great point in favour of a final say on what the proposal actually looks like, of course.

It is very difficult to make a convincing case to damage the country on the say-so of a third of the electorate. The other two thirds may have very definite views; hence the self-evident problems, and unforeseen and unintended consequences.

mark perego · Aug 11, 2018

joe soapy said:
sounds about right, welching on a deal would br forign to a true English man, although perfectly normal to a townie, even an admired trait

Ffs,

A true Englishman. They’d be rare to say the least.

davieh3350 · Aug 11, 2018

Turned to brexit. What a surprise

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