400 acres, 40 miles away.

Rob Holmes

Moderator
BASIS
Just remembered.....

A farmer near here used to farm 3 miles away from us and have another farm in Kelso, did all they work themselves and drove tractors to both places, was about a 9 hour drive.

IIRC both places had a telehandler each but everything else was shared, no Fastracs or lorries either, just 50k JD's
 

ajd132

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Suffolk
Just remembered.....

A farmer near here used to farm 3 miles away from us and have another farm in Kelso, did all they work themselves and drove tractors to both places, was about a 9 hour drive
Bit different owned and later crops. I would take on land in Scotland and take the combine up there to spend all September cutting!
 
Are you trying to be awkward? Yes it’s working well we go 5 miles at the furthest.
I’m not being awkward. I am being drawn into an argument though for some reason. I can only make suggestions as to how we who have distance between land deal with the logistical issues which crop up
 

lloyd

Member
Location
Herefordshire
Not sure I agree. A good team of contractors as backup is priceless

I get your point totally
If your up against bad weather and theres a team of
contractors who speed the job up then crops
will perform much better and likewise at harvest Lexion 1000
isn't going to worry if his machine has to spread the
costs of an extra 400 acres or pay a contractor and get the job done quicker.
Dry grain with little yield lost is what he'll be interested in.

Theres some very big concerns in this county who have
Big artillery but if they're up against it they will bring in others
and get the job done.

Spreading machinery costs is just one part of the equation
to profitability .
 

Clive

Staff Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lichfield
Who are they? I’ve never heard of them?

They exist

I know of farmers that have paid £160/ac land without entitlements that will do 3t of wheat in a good year

Countless threads on here re contractor rates some will work for that don’t even cover depreciation never mid leave a profit

Farm sales with big impressive kit are not rare

Perception is often very different to reality ! Judging a business by it size and / or a yard full of impressive kit is very short sighted and often no reflection on the sate of the business finances
 

ajd132

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Suffolk
I get your point totally
If your up against bad weather and theres a team of
contractors who speed the job up then crops
will perform much better and likewise at harvest Lexion 1000
isn't going to worry if his machine has to spread the
costs of an extra 400 acres or pay a contractor and get the job done quicker.
Dry grain with little yield lost is what he'll be interested in.

Theres some very big concerns in this county who have
Big artillery but if they're up against it they will bring in others
and get the job done.

Spreading machinery costs is just one part of the equation
to profitability .
He said fert spreading and spraying all done by contractors aswell. The owner may aswell get someone nearby who can actually do the job or just pay people on a job by job basis and forget the middle man! It’s very different using a contractor as a backup to using them as the main plan. Do you know how cfas work?
 

Chae1

Member
Location
Aberdeenshire
I get that, I’m in a very similar situation in terms of farmed area and the majority of it is CFA and fbt. If it was me I totally get that taking it on speculatively could bring more opportunities in that area (could also be a complete waste of time), the worry is that 400 acres is going to take up so much more time being that distance away he could easily end up taking his eye off the ball in terms of his core acerage and end up upsetting those current customers. 40 miles is a hell of a long way in a tractor or car even. Also wearing out equipment. Imagine driving 40 miles to check if a certain prone field corner is being eaten by slugs? I’ve got no issue with distance for a much bigger block.
I think basing a massive business decision on that you might get some more land is ridiculous.
There’s a few very well respected farmers round here who have been contract farming longer than most who are giving up land and restructuring, some maybe 10 miles away some right nearby. I think these people are basing business decisions on figures and metrics not a need to be the the biggest farmer and have more and more land.

There is such a thing as deconomise of scale and see it time and time again.

As a 27 year old with a massive ego, a big quad track and branded clothig for staff even I can see that this mindset can be a road to nowhere.

Schoffel branded clothing?

You do seem to know it all for a 27 year old.

Did daddy buy the quadtrack for you?
 

Clive

Staff Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lichfield
Garry Markham’s presentation at Groundswell was intesting last week when he referred to the over 100,000ac of arable farmland he was benchmarking over he said the vast majority contract farmers were loosing money doing so - he said many of those were what looked like big impressive units from the outside .....


Looks can be deceiving !
 
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ajd132

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Suffolk
Schoffel branded clothing?

You do seem to know it all for a 27 year old.

Did daddy buy the quadtrack for you?
Nothing schoffel. I farm in partnership with my parents. I know how contract farming agreements work and the returns on them unlike many people on this thread, that is all.
 

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