"...the protectionist racket."

Walterp

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Location
Pembrokeshire
One of the reasons I wear my hair long is that I dislike going to the barber's. The critical light of the barbershop mirror is hard to bear with equanimity, just as the critical opinions of my barber are equally difficult to bear - 'we should be like Singapore', he says.

That he wouldn't then be getting his OAP pension, or his sickly wife her NHS hospital care - or either of them the right to vote to change that state of affairs - escapes him completely.

What doesn't escape him is that European trade tariffs are a 'protectionist racket'. It must be so, because the Daily Express says so; you have to admire the linguistic sleight of hand - conflating the gangster's 'protection racket' with a nation's wish to protect its standards of living.

It seems the UK Government also reads the Express, because last week it advanced the abolition of import tariffs, with obvious consequences for UK agriculture.

Next day, CCF posted fliers to solicit local farmers to invest £200,000 each (minimum stake) in broiler production, in order to allow a local chicken producer to expand whilst laying off the risk of failure onto others. Which is nice, because both CCF and Capestone must have a fairly shrewd idea that the only way the average Pembrokeshire farmer can get his hands on £200,000 is to borrow it.

With obvious risks, if a farmer here is expected to compete with another farmer in Brazil, when the advantage of trade (in the absence of tariffs) lies only one way.

Even my barber wouldn't buy that investment proposition, right now.

Why do I get the feeling that farmers will, though?
 
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roscoe erf

Member
Livestock Farmer
One of the reasons I wear my hair long is that I dislike going to the barber's. The critical light of the barbershop mirror is hard to bear with equanimity, just as the critical opinions of my barber are equally difficult to bear - 'we should be like Singapore', he says.

That he wouldn't then be getting his OAP pension, or his sickly wife her NHS hospital care - or either of them the right to vote to change that state of affairs - escapes him completely.

What doesn't escape him is that European trade tariffs are a 'protectionist racket'. It must be so, because the Daily Express says so; you have to admire the linguistic sleight of hand - conflating the gangster's 'protection racket' with a nation's wish to protect its standards of living.

It seems the UK Government also reads the Express, because last week it advanced the abolition of import tariffs, with obvious consequences for UK agriculture.

Next day, CCF posted fliers to solicit local farmers to invest £200,000 each (minimum stake) in broiler production, in order to allow a local chicken producer to expand whilst laying off the risk of failure onto others. Which is nice, because both CCF and Capestone must have a fairly shrewd idea that the only way the average Pembrokeshire farmer can get his hands on £200,000 is to borrow it.

With obvious risks, if a farmer here is expected to compete with another farmer in Brazil, when the advantage of trade (in the absence of tariffs) lies only one way.

Even my barber wouldn't buy that investment proposition, right now.

Why do I get the feeling that farmers will, though?
its probably indigestion
 

Goweresque

Member
Location
North Wilts
That he wouldn't then be getting his OAP pension, or his sickly wife her NHS hospital care - or either of them the right to vote to change that state of affairs - escapes him completely.

Thats odd, because wikipedia tells us that Singapore has quote one of the most successful healthcare systems in the world, in terms of both efficiency in financing and the results achieved in community health outcomes

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Singapore

The GDP per head of Singapore is also significantly higher than the UK, $57k vs $39k.

Singapore has the best pension system in the whole of Asia too:

https://www.straitstimes.com/business/banking/singapore-has-best-pension-system-in-asia-mercer-index

So your barber is right to think he might be better off in Singapore than Carmarthenshire.
 

Goweresque

Member
Location
North Wilts
or either of them the right to vote to change that state of affairs

I suddenly noticed this gem - does a person who voted to leave the EU consider that they have a vote to change things, or that they are being entirely ignored?

Personally I'd rather be told the reality 'We don't believe in democracy so you're not getting to vote on anything, you're all too stupid to understand complicated stuff like us clever people in charge' than what we now have in the UK which is a sham democracy whereby we voted to leave the EU and are then promptly ignored.

Brexit has been a real eye opener - its shown that democracy doesn't exist in the UK any more (and not in many other Western so called democracies either) - you can either vote for parties and policies that those in power (ie real power, not the political talking heads) approve of, or if you vote for anyone or anything else they'll ignore you entirely.
 

Kiwi Pete

Member
Livestock Farmer
I suddenly noticed this gem - does a person who voted to leave the EU consider that they have a vote to change things, or that they are being entirely ignored?

Personally I'd rather be told the reality 'We don't believe in democracy so you're not getting to vote on anything, you're all too stupid to understand complicated stuff like us clever people in charge' than what we now have in the UK which is a sham democracy whereby we voted to leave the EU and are then promptly ignored.

Brexit has been a real eye opener - its shown that democracy doesn't exist in the UK any more (and not in many other Western so called democracies either) - you can either vote for parties and policies that those in power (ie real power, not the political talking heads) approve of, or if you vote for anyone or anything else they'll ignore you entirely.
If it helps, we (the NZ majority) voted to keep our present gov't OUT but they got IN, based on a referendum to "trial" a mixed member proportional (MMP) system that we (the NZ majority) would never have agreed to if we realised that it creates a state where several minorities together can undo the wishes of a majority.
Fortunately for them, the first referendum was never undone at the end of it's trial period because the second referendum went largely unnoticed due to media distraction techniques (ring any bells?)

The real winners: the extra members of parliament, who do very little except sit in parliament and keep shtum.


You guys definitely don't have this one all to yourselves :rolleyes:
..but you're still welcome to invest in broilers and suave hair ..
 

caveman

Member
Location
East Sussex.
Cut my own hair. Always have even though there's very little left now.
Always thought......If only I could earn the cost of a hair cut as fast as a barber.......
Never mind. A penny saved is a penny earned.
Something for the weekend sir?
 

DRC

Member
I always ask my barber, why do pensioners get reduced price haircuts? , when they are most likely the wealthy ones in our local town. Bought houses at the right time and many have final salary pensions, whereas the youth can’t afford houses and will have to work many more years to get a state pension , if indeed there is one in the future .
I suppose the obvious answer is they have very little hair to cut , but even so.
 
Next day, CCF posted fliers to solicit local farmers to invest £200,000 each (minimum stake) in broiler production, in order to allow a local chicken producer to expand whilst laying off the risk of failure onto others. Which is nice, because both CCF and Capestone must have a fairly shrewd idea that the only way the average Pembrokeshire farmer can get his hands on £200,000 is to borrow it.

With obvious risks, if a farmer here is expected to compete with another farmer in Brazil, when the advantage of trade (in the absence of tariffs) lies only one way.

Even my barber wouldn't buy that investment proposition, right now.

Why do I get the feeling that farmers will, though?

Is the proposal that different from what Sun Valley may ask of their Broiler producers?
 

David.

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
J11 M40
Dont forget they faced muck and bullets for us:rolleyes:.
The goalposts for pensioners ought to be reviewed regularly as those who did actually fight the War slip away, to be replaced by the generation of baby boomers who have enjoyed all the benefits you describe, and ought not to need any State support at all if they had played their cards right.
 

DRC

Member
Dont forget they faced muck and bullets for us:rolleyes:.
The goalposts for pensioners ought to be reviewed regularly as those who did actually fight the War slip away, to be replaced by the generation of baby boomers who have enjoyed all the benefits you describe, and ought not to need any State support at all if they had played their cards right.
Not many left. My dad passed away at 86, and he was never in WW2. Today’s retired pensioners will often only be in their 60s.
Chap rents a cottage off us, is only 62 and retired on two pensions I think. Police one and then worked for the Co op.
He is completely bald though
 

David.

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
J11 M40
The man has no sense of social responsibility then, shaving his own head rather than helping keep the local barbers shop open for the wider community.
Selfish I call it.:ROFLMAO:
 

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