Bossfarmer
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im interested in learning more about hybrid vigour, what would i need to cross my simmental cows with for my replacements to still be able to sell good charolais store cattle out of them?
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Shorthorn,Saler,Luing are all proven successful crosses onto the Simmental which will give you these orange and white colours that are so popular.
Bossfarmer
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so i put a shorthorn bull to them and keep the female calves and then a few years later cross that to a saler to get a 3 way cross? wont that make my cows a bit smaller and wilder?
Not necessarily I don’t see how that would make them smaller the Luing maybe but the other two no.As for making them wilder why would that be ?
Use a limousine. It will do it your fairly high input system better.
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Hopefully he doesn't mind... and I'm hoping I've got the right person!!
Well done to @scholland for making the last 3 for Scottish Beef Farm of the Year. Good luck for the final.
Well done to @scholland for making the last 3 for Scottish Beef Farm of the Year. Good luck for the final.
FonterraFarmer
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Friesian/Holstein cross are mongrel crossbreeds, eh??
Cowcalf
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shows the strength of farmers selection is when two colours guide heifer selection, we look a long way behind the Americans , Canadians in our selection of quality beef!
Thanks!
Kept a bull or two for no other reason than they were a pretty colour.....and never regretted it!
Bossfarmer
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arent salers notoriously wild?
Bossfarmer
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use a lim on the heifers but they dont make good replacements
Woolless
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What about a Stabiliser? Should pull cow size back a bit but they're meant to nick well with the Char.
Just a fact of life you try and sell a dun coloured Charollais and you will be £100 a head behind the white or orange ones you are back to Limousin price which kind of defeats the purpose of having Charollais.
Not if you handle them properly and there is absolutely nothing as easily calfed as a Saler.
Not sure what you mean but what I meant was that they need regular human contact in there youth and if they get that I find that they are a pleasure to work with.
I think they are really good cows honestly , but in terms of safety and just needing to get on and have stress free day I haven't got time for them , we don't have state of the art handling facilities I also have a social responsibility to the others I work or share access with . You can't plan for the unexpected or who or what might suddenly appear in the yard or field . I did once ask my vet what he thought he said if you are going down that road get yourself another vet . I am sure you can make them work with patience and stockmanship as you say, but if they find themselves into an unfamiliar or new situation do you think they are safe ?
That is so far from my own experience,I work on my own and have various breeds of cow but the Salers I find very easy,I do spend a lot of time among them and anything that I think of dubious temperament is down the road , Limousin I find are the worst they are the ones that regularly fail the temperament test.
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That is so far from my own experience,I work on my own and have various breeds of cow but the Salers I find very easy,I do spend a lot of time among them and anything that I think of dubious temperament is down the road , Limousin I find are the worst they are the ones that regularly fail the temperament test.
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Yes lims and blondes the same nervous / highly strung the x s seem worse though , sim / charolais ok generally though except when calving
That is so far from my own experience,I work on my own and have various breeds of cow but the Salers I find very easy,I do spend a lot of time among them and anything that I think of dubious temperament is down the road , Limousin I find are the worst they are the ones that regularly fail the temperament test.
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Yes lims and blondes the same nervous / highly strung the x s seem worse though , sim / charolais ok generally though except when calving