Oh dear! I have the "Blessing" of a weird central heating system that uses an electric boiler to run normal radiators. I have never turned it on! Why? Well, my neighbours next door have the same, in an identical flat, their electricity bill for one quarter, was £700, and both were out at work all day!
Monbiot's TV show.....Apocalypse Cow: How Meat Killed the Planet
- Thread starter egbert
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- Fife
I put some rough figures on a thread here somewhere. I used kiwi X beef steers, killing at 24 months at 250kg DW. Margin came to £50/head. Of course there was a large labour figure in there.
Problems with b&w bulls are:
1) they can't be grazed anywhere the public have access (so no fields with RoW)
2) There are massive penalties for over 16 or 14 month bulls, depending on processor.
These type of animals can be very effectively finished on grass, as per @Kiwi Pete pictures. But the UK processors don't want to pay for them.
- Location
- Shropshire
Did a carbon audit here prior to Christmas. Total emissions came to less kg of carbon emitted per kg dw of beef than quorn mince. Thats before any carbon sequestered by grassland and taking into account the benefits of any by products also produced.
Better for the environment my a**e
Yeh, I remember that. Direct sales it is then! Although...
The old man still talks about the dairy steer he ended up with after our dairy dispersal. He, and the two cows that no-one wanted, wandered round the farm for a while before heading off to the same place we send our cull sows. £900 return, net of deductions, and that was 20yrs ago. Could be a nice little sideline at that rate (as long as I don't have to pay rent, or labour....
).Slightly off topic.
Nuts and Beans must be part of a vegan diet that Monbiot is promoting , yet I assume many Vegans are allergic to Nuts and Beans,
hopefully that will mean some of them will get seriously ill from their diet, and if at deaths door be only to pleased to eat a convential diet that includes meat.
Nuts and Beans must be part of a vegan diet that Monbiot is promoting , yet I assume many Vegans are allergic to Nuts and Beans,
hopefully that will mean some of them will get seriously ill from their diet, and if at deaths door be only to pleased to eat a convential diet that includes meat.
Cowabunga
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- Ceredigion,Wales
- Location
- North Norfolk
Easy - plants have it worked out - photosynthesis. You just have to have a few farmers to run the new outdoor factories (previously known as fields), get a few plants to do the photosynthesis, convert a bit to protein by self propelled factories (cattle and sheep), and there you are.
- Location
- Devon
Ridiculous isn't it? "Factory farming" is seen as the epitome of all that is wrong with farming, yet Monbiot wants all his food produced in a factory, industrialising processes that nature does for free.
Someone really needs to highlight this for the lunacy it is.
Winner. It's also the first process ever to harness the power of nuclear fusion!
- Location
- Cheltenham
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- Cheltenham
I watched parts of the programme and while he is entitled to his views, I profoundly disagree with him on many levels. I don’t want to be eating factory produced food thank you very much! I’m happy to peel spuds and prepare proper food!!
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- Lincolnshire
If I learn anything from all of this is it how miraculous nature is. Even the factory produced protein relies on fungi, bacteria or other living organisms to produce it. Nobody has been able to replicate the job done by living organisms by mechanical or chemical means and I find that humbling and awesome. In the grand scheme of things we still know nothing,
It does seem a bit balmy to throw away a farming system that produces food " naturally", is attuned to our dietary requirements and often in harmony with the environment and then replace it with a clunky, unfit for propose industrial system requiring yet more manufactured and synthetic infrastructure with yet more unknown consequences for human health and the planet.
Keep calm and carry on. We are refining our farming systems all the time. Livestock fit in to it. They are an essential part of the cycle.
It does seem a bit balmy to throw away a farming system that produces food " naturally", is attuned to our dietary requirements and often in harmony with the environment and then replace it with a clunky, unfit for propose industrial system requiring yet more manufactured and synthetic infrastructure with yet more unknown consequences for human health and the planet.
Keep calm and carry on. We are refining our farming systems all the time. Livestock fit in to it. They are an essential part of the cycle.
We’ve met Tony a few times. He came to NFU council last year and went down well.
Good. But, you will recall that wasn't the point. I suggested that you, Tony Juniper and Craig Bennett need to meet and agree on a joint understanding that the three organisations you represent need to work together, to sell the message that the most environmentally sustainable diet is a UK produced diet. You responded that I was over-estimating your importance. I would ask that you reconsider your assessment of your importance.
I am not sure the NFU believe that British farming is the answer, other wise they would be shouting it out from the rooftops and not just preaching to their own.
Watch Professor Stanton’s video at the OFC, she’s a bit monotone but there is so much important information in that video that every headteacher and parent should be made aware of.
Watch Professor Stanton’s video at the OFC, she’s a bit monotone but there is so much important information in that video that every headteacher and parent should be made aware of.
Woolless
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- Berwickshire, Scottish Borders
Still voting Liberal, eh @unlacedgecko? ?
Suffolk Serf
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- Bury/Thetford
Apparently, neither this programme, nor the one before it, made the top 60 for that day's viewing figures. And numbers were swelled by concerned farmers!
ah...and so we're back to running off a great big ball of hydrogen again! (I love it when uz peasants can unpick the workings of the solar system!)
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