Fendt or Fastrac

Properjob · May 25, 2020

Andrew said:
Think he may be basing it on the brochure specs..... where JCB quote 9.8m and Fendt quote 5.5m.

Difference is the JCB is the external and the Fendt is the internal unless it can turn in it’s own length?
The Fendt is also on tow crops to achieve that, the JCB is on its normal tyres.

Not correct a JCB 4220 has a turning circle of 9.8m on 540 R30's, Fendt 724 on its standard tyres of 540/65 R30 and 650/65 R42 has inner turning circle of 5.5m, as its 2.55m wide the rest can be worked out...... In fact a 828 is 5.4m. I am not sure there are many people who would choose to pull a sprayer of the size and weight of a Horsch 6-8 GS with 540 R30's during the winter months?

Properjob · May 25, 2020

snarling bee said:
Most ridiculous comment of the week.

What is the turning circle of a Fastrac on 650 or 710 tyres?

Andrew · May 25, 2020

Properjob said:
Not correct a JCB 4220 has a turning circle of 9.8m on 540 R30's, Fendt 724 on its standard tyres of 540/65 R30 and 650/65 R42 has inner turning circle of 5.5m, as its 2.55m wide the rest can be worked out...... In fact a 828 is 5.4m. I am not sure there are many people who would choose to pull a sprayer of the size and weight of a Horsch 6-8 GS with 540 R30's during the winter months?

Is that not what I said? Apart from Fendt quote 5.5m on 420 tyres in there sales literature. 5.5+2.55+2.55 is 10.6m anyway, but it would be more than that due to wheelbase and length.

Properjob · May 25, 2020

Andrew said:
Is that not what I said? Apart from Fendt quote 5.5m on 420 tyres in there sales literature. 5.5+2.55+2.55 is 10.6m anyway, but it would be more than that due to wheelbase and length.

Fendt don't quote on row crops. I'll find a quick example, page 14. fendt_vario_800_new_generation_tractors_brochure_january_2010.pdf

Andrew · May 25, 2020

Properjob said:
Fendt don't quote on row crops. I'll find a quick example, page 14. fendt_vario_800_new_generation_tractors_brochure_january_2010.pdf

Cant find the brochureI looked at now, but it’s still a bigger turning circle than a Fastrac in 4ws?

Finn farmer · May 25, 2020

Mantas Liep said:
6230R/6250R would be the best bet for Leeb 8GS, because longer wheelbase and the bigger 160l/min@1600 rpm hydro pump when comparing with 6215R. With Gen4 display, command arm joystick it would behave the same like 724 from technology side.

Or a Valtra T234D with 200l/min pump and a much better engine than Jd?

I'd go for Fastrac because of the comfort and 4ws.

snarling bee · May 25, 2020

The weight distribution on a 4220 is also better than 'normal' tractors. Ours picks up a 6m Kuhn power harrow without a front weight, and a spinner with 2.5tonnes in. My 7530 needs 1150kg on the front to do either safely. Most 4220 are on 600/70 R 30, not 540/65, makes a bit of difference. It's not a one trick pony either, we do everything with ours that you would do with any other tractor of that power. If you have a bad back then a fastrac is a good choice.
However if you want ISObus then buy something else.

Finn farmer · May 25, 2020

snarling bee said:
The weight distribution on a 4220 is also better than 'normal' tractors. Ours picks up a 6m Kuhn power harrow without a front weight, and a spinner with 2.5tonnes in. My 7530 needs 1150kg on the front to do either safely. Most 4220 are on 600/70 R 30, not 540/65, makes a bit of difference. It's not a one trick pony either, we do everything with ours that you would do with any other tractor of that power. If you have a bad back then a fastrac is a good choice.
However if you want ISObus then buy something else.

Does britain have different rims, 4220 comes with 34" rims in here. 650/??/34 in every corner as standard and optional 650 on front and 710 rear (also can put 650 duals on front and 710 on rear iirc (no good for spraying though)).

Andrew · May 25, 2020

Finn farmer said:
Does britain have different rims, 4220 comes with 34" rims in here. 650/??/34 in every corner as standard and optional 650 on front and 710 rear (also can put 650 duals on front and 710 on rear iirc (no good for spraying though)).

540/65R34 as standard here
600/70R 30
710/?R 30 are both optional.
You can have 710s all round if you want and mix and match as well as they’re all the same rolling radius.

Properjob · May 25, 2020

Andrew said:
540/65R34 as standard here
600/70R 30
710/?R 30 are both optional.
You can have 710s all round if you want and mix and match as well as they’re all the same rolling radius.

Andrew, do you have the turning circle figures for the Fastrac on the wider tyres, typical to those used on larger Fendts or JD’s. Perhaps even the smaller 600/70R 30’s someone must have the figures, perhaps more difficult for 710’s.

Andrew · May 25, 2020

Properjob said:
Andrew, do you have the turning circle figures for the Fastrac on the wider tyres, typical to those used on larger Fendts or JD’s. Perhaps even the smaller 600/70R 30’s someone must have the figures, perhaps more difficult for 710’s.

No. I can measure it when we put the 710s back on ours but probably won’t be till September.

Farmer_Joe · May 25, 2020

Properjob said:
Andrew, do you have the turning circle figures for the Fastrac on the wider tyres, typical to those used on larger Fendts or JD’s. Perhaps even the smaller 600/70R 30’s someone must have the figures, perhaps more difficult for 710’s.

have you ever driven a teleprorter with 4ws or a fastrack with 4ws then got back onto a normal tractor?

it certainly sounds like you have not as the difference is staggering, i just cant believe you genuinely think it can turn sharper

Clive · May 25, 2020

ajd132 said:
Have heard fendts are really good on these sprayers as they were apparently designed around the 724 and it all integrates really well.
There’s also a 240 puma on an 8000l one in the area and that is getting on well.

as long as the power unit has iso and a mappable joiystick it should integrate just as well i think ?

12 months ago a new 724 was a very similar price to the JCB option new - would be interested to know if that gap has changed ?

Fendtbro · May 25, 2020

Properjob said:
Definitely buy a Fendt and I would suggest a 800 or 900, as road speed on both are 65kph. If you have any hills then a 724, despite the Hp, is no good at pulling/grip. Turning circle on the Fendt's is far superior to a 4ws Fastrac. Folk may comment about the trend of Fendt's and Horsch trailed sprayers but there is a reason in that the combination basically behave in the same way as a SP. One screen, one joystick, one guidance/section control and quite simply a sprayer that is better than any other on the market for actual spraying.

There was talk of reversing the sprayer into corners. It’s reversing where the 4ws really shows up a 2ws.. not just down to outright turning circle, the fastrac can reverse a trailer twice the speed of a fendt as the rear end is catching the trailer so quick. As for 540’s, not sure why you would use them? The 600’s are massive in comparison. Agreed still small compared to a fendt on big rubber. Can the fendt retain it’s good lock while on wide rubber without going over the legal width limit for high speed tractors.. doubtful. If the fendt is over width then not really fair to compare to a width constrained 4220.

Smith31 · May 25, 2020

Fendt, the Japs and Germans are the way to go in our experience, this results in far less garage and breakdown time.

Fendt over JCB and Toyota over Land Rover.

Chae1 · May 25, 2020

Clive said:
as long as the power unit has iso abd a mappable joiystick it should integrate just as well i think

12 months ago a new 724 was a very similar price to the JCB option new - would be interested to k ow if that gal has changed ?

I know what I'd have bought if same price.

The green one.

Shropshire Farmer · May 25, 2020

I think the biggest let down with the fastrac is that it is way behind all other brands in terms of isobus and aux n joystick. The user interface is pretty dated too.

Andrew · May 25, 2020

Fendtbro said:
There was talk of reversing the sprayer into corners. It’s reversing where the 4ws really shows up a 2ws.. not just down to outright turning circle, the fastrac can reverse a trailer twice the speed of a fendt as the rear end is catching the trailer so quick. As for 540’s, not sure why you would use them? The 600’s are massive in comparison. Agreed still small compared to a fendt on big rubber. Can the fendt retain it’s good lock while on wide rubber without going over the legal width limit for high speed tractors.. doubtful. If the fendt is over width then not really fair to compare to a width constrained 4220.

Regardless of width the Fendt is limited to 24mph in the UK On public roads.

Speedstar · May 25, 2020

Andrew said:
Regardless of width the Fendt is limited to 24mph in the UK On public roads.

Your fastrac is the same as the doors open the wrong way on if you want look in to it all

Fendtbro · May 25, 2020

Andrew said:
Regardless of width the Fendt is limited to 24mph in the UK On public roads.

That’s true, what happens if you crash the fendt and it can be proven speeding.. No insurance?

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