EU threatens to ban UK ag and food exports to them

JSmith

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Livestock Farmer
Would I be right in saying that England once conquered the world???! And also at a later date liberated much of Europe and it’s occupants??! Would I be right in saying that once upon a time Great Britain led the world in car manufacturing and food production?? We’ve become the dog that gets kicked and runs under the table with its tail up its arse, about time Boris stud up and told them what he really wants to which is to FECK RIGHT OFF an we can paddle our own canoe thankyou very much!! Let’s get back to being GREAT BRITAIN again
 

Lincsman

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Arable Farmer
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Lincolnshire
Would I be right in saying that England once conquered the world???! And also at a later date liberated much of Europe and it’s occupants??! Would I be right in saying that once upon a time Great Britain led the world in car manufacturing and food production?? We’ve become the dog that gets kicked and runs under the table with its tail up its arse, about time Boris stud up and told them what he really wants to which is to FECK RIGHT OFF an we can paddle our own canoe thankyou very much!! Let’s get back to being GREAT BRITAIN again
We make more cars now than we ever did.

When Germany bans cars coming to the UK we will be fine.
 

Cowabunga

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Ceredigion,Wales
John Major signed a deal that was sxxt for the UK, no consultation, which is part of the reason we are leaving. Teressa May signed a Treaty that was sxxt for the UK, no consultation, which is part of the reason we are reneging.

If the EU want's to build a Border between N and S Ireland and renege on the Good Friday Agreement, let them get on with it.
YOU don't do International deals. The elected Government does them on your behalf. Whether YOU agree with them or not is irrelevant. The current government is trying to break a deal they made only a few months ago, but the actual timing is not as relevant as the principle of doing a deal, any deal, and breaking it. Is that how you live your life? Your business?
Besides which, the very people that are going back on their word now are the ones that signed the deal and recommended it to their constituents as a great deal only a couple of months ago.

Is there any part of that you just do not comprehend?
 

Muck Spreader

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Livestock Farmer
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Limousin

getting on

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Mixed Farmer
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Lincs
What utter nonsense. The US has not said this.

Nancy Pelosi, the Speaker of the House of Representatives said this is what she would do. However she is not in power and has no ability to bring it about. It is just hot air.

The pity is, some fools believe it is fact as that is the way the BBC reported it.

It's an aspiration from someone with no power to bring it about.
A few facts need stating here. Any trade deal with the U.S has to be approved by congress of which Nancy Pelosi is the head and she is in command of the majority. Don't resort to bluster.
 

Ukjay

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Wales!
Let’s get back to being GREAT BRITAIN again

Highland Mule summed up the answer to the first part quite well, so no more needs be said on that 😂

As for getting back to being Great Britain again, alas - never in a million years I fear. Far too many people with their own agendas, and equally as many waiting and ready to stab each other in the back for their own advantage...

We have also got a couple of generations who feel it is their god given right to have what they want, when they want, without actually doing anything to earn it.
We then have all the new generation activist movements / parties that are against a united society, as we are different...

This sh!t storm is going to be around for a very long time unfortunately..
 

Wooly

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Romney Marsh
A couple of years out of date, but I think if Europe don't want our food then perhaps we don't want their goods. From the graph, I can see who will lose out more..........and it is NOT the UK.


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A couple of years out of date, but I think if Europe don't want our food then perhaps we don't want their goods. From the graph, I can see who will lose out more..........and it is NOT the UK.


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There you are ruining everything with graphs that destroy all the carefully crafted and emotive arguments. What about the sheep farmers? Won't somebody please think of the sheep farmers?

Basically, the trade gap with the EU has widened virtually every year the UK has been a member of the common market.
 

Lincsman

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Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
YOU don't do International deals. The elected Government does them on your behalf. Whether YOU agree with them or not is irrelevant. The current government is trying to break a deal they made only a few months ago, but the actual timing is not as relevant as the principle of doing a deal, any deal, and breaking it. Is that how you live your life? Your business?
Besides which, the very people that are going back on their word now are the ones that signed the deal and recommended it to their constituents as a great deal only a couple of months ago.

Is there any part of that you just do not comprehend?
Correct me if I have not understood, I am thinking the deal agreed is ok , but of we end up with a hard Brexit the EU can put borders in Ireland and the Irish sea upsetting the Northern Irish causing problems, this has only really come to light in the last few weeks because it wasnt really thought through as a deal was supposed to be likely?
 

farmerm

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Location
Shropshire
Would I be right in saying that England once conquered the world???! And also at a later date liberated much of Europe and it’s occupants??! Would I be right in saying that once upon a time Great Britain led the world in car manufacturing and food production?? We’ve become the dog that gets kicked and runs under the table with its tail up its arse, about time Boris stud up and told them what he really wants to which is to FECK RIGHT OFF an we can paddle our own canoe thankyou very much!! Let’s get back to being GREAT BRITAIN again
Once upon a time the Roman empire conquered most if not all of Europe and more besides, times change, even Portugal once had an empire, empires rise, empires fall and the world moves on.

Not wishing to take anything away from those brave men and women who died but the truth is the United Kindom survived the risk of German invasion only because of the fortunate success of the Spitfire, Hitlers over confidence and an awful lot of luck. Our country was only able to returned to and liberate Europe because Japan dragged America into the war. Britain did lead the way in the industrial revolution of the 17-1800s but has never in my opinion at least, led the world in car manufacturing. Britain may have led the way in the agricultural revolution during a similar historic era but our union has been a net importer of food since the repeal of the Corn Laws in 1846, world leaders in food production we are not. Not even the seemingly immortal Jacob Reece Mogg was around to witness the mythical period of British "Greatness" which you are so keen to revive!

I have no doubts the UK can thrive outside the EU but make no mistake there will be some significant and in some cases painful rebalancing ahead of us, there will be good and services on both sides of the channel for which demand will crash overnight as new tariff and regulatory barriers take effect. Manufacturing accounts for only 20% of our economy, agriculture is 0.6%, most of our national GDP comes from white collar office based services. This pandemic has shown that with modern technology most white collar work can be done remotely or autonomously. If these roles can be filled by employees or algorithms who do not need to live within commuting distance to their London offices, do firms even need to fill the roles with expensive wage workers who live in the UK? India and Asia is full of very bright, very motivated and very cheap workers who are more than capable of filling many of our white collar office roles. Will the high rise commercial towers on which our economy is currently dependent, soon go the same way as the windmills, wool mills, ship yards and coal mines of our past?

Just for the record the prefix Great has nothing to do with our nations historic world concurring prowess! Great Britain is not a country it is merely the historic term for the largest island in the British Isles ie the land mass that is England, Scotland and Wales
 

Cowabunga

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Ceredigion,Wales
We make more cars now than we ever did.

When Germany bans cars coming to the UK we will be fine.
The Vauhall plant will be shut down within 18 months. Their van plant within two years later. Honda are in the process of completely shutting their UK factory. Mini do build in the UK but could easily expand their Belgian plant, which also makes Minis.
What's left are Nissan, who I wouldn't bet highly on their commitment to stay, and the luxury end of the market which consists mainly of JLR and low volume players like Aston Martin, Bentley and Rolls Royce, all being foreign owned building in a country, the UK, who are dead set to kill that of vehicle off. No wonder Ineos and the pro-brexit owner decided to dump the UK for mainland Europe and JLR decided to invest in their most modern facility there also, especially after being shafted by the Tories almost immediately after building their new engine plant between Wolverhamton and Telford. I bet you anything that they wished they had built it in Slovenia.

This government is taking the UK to the dogs right in front of your eyes and you can't see it even at this late stage. Amazing!
 

Lincsman

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Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
You mean foreign companies now make more cars in the UK than they ever did for the European market. No deal means much of that could stop.
Why would Germany ban car exports to the UK? :scratchhead:
Germany does not want to trade with us, at least thats the inference, manufacture of things moves around the world so no change there, there are more countries outside of the EU to sell british built cars to remember.
 

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