EU threatens to ban UK ag and food exports to them

[thesilentone]

All I want to know is do I still have to pay my taxes? I would only be breaking the law in a 'limited and specific way' which I wouldn't deem 'unacceptable', so must be OK

Try it and see.............

 

[farmerm]

Agreed. I don't understand why some people are so adamant that leaving the EU is the same as cutting ourselves off from the rest of the world and becoming North Korea.

Last time I checked, Australia was not part of the EU and they don't seem to be going around on horse and cart so I wonder where they get their cars from?

The current trading position of most nations has developed over a prolonged period, businesses and supply chains have adapted over a period of decades.... It is surely an optimistic importer that is ordering product and shipping for goods in or out of the UK in January whilst not knowing what tariff will apply or if regulatory barriers will even allow the goods to be offloaded!

 

[farmerm]

All I want to know is do I still have to pay my taxes? I would only be breaking the law in a 'limited and specific way' which I wouldn't deem 'unacceptable', so must be OK

As self elected leader of myself I can surely write my own law that allows me to go over the top of national law and exempt me from paying taxes if I dislike them

 

[thesilentone]

I would register in the Shetlands asap..... It will make the Cayman Islands look like the Sunday Market..

 

[Danllan]

Don’t think anyone has ever denied that we have choices for supply. You’d better get your mates to sort out all those trade agreements though - we will need them very soon.

See below...

Unfortunately the UK hasn't got any trade deals with them either.

Japan was the first, but others are done and dusted, e.g. South Korea, Malaysia, Vietnam etc. etc., but you don't like it because the UK isn't suffering as you hoped.

We'll be unveiling more between now and the New Year, each of which I'm sure you'll celebrate, because you're such a nice chap...

 

[Danllan]

I would register in the Shetlands asap..... It will make the Cayman Islands look like the Sunday Market..

You raise a superb subject... Ms Sturgeon is right up the creek on this one, she has no moral ground to refuse or ignore a referendum allowing Shetland a different status under the Crown, quite separate from Scotland. And then it will be the Orkneys... and then the Borders... and then the North East...

 

[TelesnaAg]

This has played right into the EU's hands, they know full well they can pull supply from other parts of the globe no issue, never been a better time.

I cant see why they would need the uk at all unfortunately.

Ant...

 

[Danllan]

This has played right into the EU's hands, they know full well they can pull supply from other parts of the globe no issue, never been a better time.

I cant see why they would need the uk at all unfortunately.

Ant...

To buy their stuff...

(But you know that already, you just don't like it)

 

[Cowabunga]

So on 1st of Jan 2021 the EU claim they dont know our food production standards?
While it appears from face value Boris(or those whose job it was to check the small print) cocked up by agreeing to that clause in the WA , why the fudge are all these ex PM's siding with the EU over this especially Blair who sent hundreds of soldiers to their deaths on very dodgy evidence

Because they don't believe the narrative as given by our government.

 

[Cowabunga]

John Major, the man that signed the Maastricht Treaty which tied us into all the EU social issues and free movement, anyone remember the public consultation ?

Tony Blair, the man that took our Country to war, which was illegal, and based on false information.

David Cameron, the man who got the President of the USA to spout we would go to the back of the queue for a trade deal to strengthen his pro-EU position.

Gordon Brown, the man who bankrupt the Country.

All very credible souls, all telling us we should allow the EU to dictate where our Borders are ? I don't think so.....

86% of World Trade is outside the EU.

John Major's deal was of great benefit to the UK and to ordinary UK people who wished to travel and work where they wanted and to holiday with minimal faff. It also allowed EU workers to work here if they wanted and were needed of course. The mistake successive governments made was that they did not restrict the immigration somewhat, which is allowed by the EU and done by the majority of them. The UK itself decided not to do so.

I believe Blair acted in good faith, but his failing was, literally, his 'faith'.

Gordon? We are not bankrupt yet despite spending orders of magnitude more than Brown for whatever reason.

The EU is not telling us where the borders are to be. It was our choice to leave the EU which necessitates a border between 'us and them' somewhere. The choice, which our PM will not make even though he really has to, is either on the border between N Ireland and the Republic, or between the island of Ireland and mainland UK.
Which would you choose? Not choosing is not an option, because you are no longer part of the same club as The Republic of Ireland any more than we are with France, Belgium or any other EU country.

Boris, the UK and you and I just cannot have the cake and eat it all. Hard choices and decisions have to be made. If the PM pushes on as he is, then the UK will be relegated to the level of a banana republic whose treaties and word is worth nothing. Who would be daft enough to sign any trade deal with a country that just can't be trusted to stick to the deal?
Remember that the much vaunted deal with Japan is generally less advantageous to the UK than the current deal the UK has with them through the EU. Also that it hasn't yet been signed by either side and the Japanese are in no hurry and will probably wait to see whether the UK upholds or reneges on its months old deal with the EU over Northern Ireland. The USA has already specifically ruled out any trade deal with the UK if the UK breaks the Irish border deal.

 

[beardface]

So what happens to all the Spanish veg, French fisherman and German car manufacturers when we play tit for rat?

 

[milkloss]

The Eu gave us a toy (the right to make our own legislation) and now we're paying with it (most likely enjoying it far more and efficiently than they ever could with their own bloated cr4p) they don't like it.

 

[thesilentone]

John Major's deal was of great benefit to the UK and to ordinary UK people who wished to travel and work where they wanted and to holiday with minimal faff. It also allowed EU workers to work here if they wanted and were needed of course. The mistake successive governments made was that they did not restrict the immigration somewhat, which is allowed by the EU and done by the majority of them. The UK itself decided not to do so.

I believe Blair acted in good faith, but his failing was, literally, his 'faith'.

Gordon? We are not bankrupt yet despite spending orders of magnitude more than Brown for whatever reason.

The EU is not telling us where the borders are to be. It was our choice to leave the EU which necessitates a border between 'us and them' somewhere. The choice, which our PM will not make even though he really has to, is either on the border between N Ireland and the Republic, or between the island of Ireland and mainland UK.
Which would you choose? Not choosing is not an option, because you are no longer part of the same club as The Republic of Ireland any more than we are with France, Belgium or any other EU country.

Boris, the UK and you and I just cannot have the cake and eat it all. Hard choices and decisions have to be made. If the PM pushes on as he is, then the UK will be relegated to the level of a banana republic whose treaties and word is worth nothing. Who would be daft enough to sign any trade deal with a country that just can't be trusted to stick to the deal?
Remember that the much vaunted deal with Japan is generally less advantageous to the UK than the current deal the UK has with them through the EU. Also that it hasn't yet been signed by either side and the Japanese are in no hurry and will probably wait to see whether the UK upholds or reneges on its months old deal with the EU over Northern Ireland. The USA has already specifically ruled out any trade deal with the UK if the UK breaks the Irish border deal.

Maybe make some choices like other EU members like say Hungary, part of Schengen, and build a bloody great Border fence reducing immigration by 99%, or don't we talk about that ?

Blair acted in good faith ? good faith to who ? The Chinese are currently cleansing the Uighers, by sterilizing Men, aborting women and incarcerating thousands, where is the good faith now ?

Or, is it because the puppet-master in the USA has no interest ?

 

[teslacoils]

So long as we meet WTO, I doubt they can even do it. Pussies.

 

[Cowabunga]

Maybe make some choices like other EU members like say Hungary, part of Schengen, and build a bloody great Border fence reducing immigration by 99%, or don't we talk about that ?

Blair acted in good faith ? good faith to who ? The Chinese are currently cleansing the Uighers, by sterilizing Men, aborting women and incarcerating thousands, where is the good faith now ?

Or, is it because the puppet-master in the USA has no interest ?

1. You are talking about a different kind of immigration here to what was legal movement of EU citizens.

2. The rest of your comments are totally irrelevant to the current debate on our negotiations with the EU and our apparent lack of good faith in threatening to renege on a treaty the exact same government signed only a few months ago to great triumphalism.

 

[Ashtree]

To think Boris proposes to connect our beautiful island of Ireland by a bridge, to the next one eastwards, teaming with half wits
That’s what I would conclude if I were to have read this thread from start to finish! Honestly, more than half are special needs .....

 

[Kidds]

If that lying bast ard blair is against it I will assume it is a good move.

 

[Cowabunga]

The Eu gave us a toy (the right to make our own legislation) and now we're paying with it (most likely enjoying it far more and efficiently than they ever could with their own bloated cr4p) they don't like it.

'They' don't actually have to do a deal with the UK at all, any more than the USA or Canada have to. Indeed Canada have more or less told us to f**k off and do the EU deal first, while the USA will absolutely certainly NOT give us any kind of trade deal and might even impose sanctions on our goods if we break the Irish border deal signed only a few months ago.

THAT is the reality of where we are. The EU are under no obligation whatsoever to give us any quarter. 'We' decided to leave the club and are now therefore trade rivals negotiating from a position of weakness, resorting to grand posturing. It doesn't wash with America and certainly puts the EU's backs up which will result in even harsher terms or no deal whatsoever.

You cannot possibly blame the EU for this. You were duped into thinking that it would be the fastest, easiest negotiations ever and that Boris had a specific 'oven ready deal'. All lies, which many of us pointed out even at the time they were uttered.

 

[Muck Spreader]

See below...


Japan was the first, but others are done and dusted, e.g. South Korea, Malaysia, Vietnam etc. etc., but you don't like it because the UK isn't suffering as you hoped.

We'll be unveiling more between now and the New Year, each of which I'm sure you'll celebrate, because you're such a nice chap...

Japan is not a deal yet, its an agreement. And if it goes through it plays straight into the EU hands over their main sticking point state aid, as the Japanese have insisted on harsher controls than the EU were originally asking for.

Additionally, rumour has it they may not sign it off before the Australia and New Zealand talks are concluded as it looks like they are brokering even better deals. Some negotiator that Liz Truss.

 

[Cowabunga]

So what happens to all the Spanish veg, French fisherman and German car manufacturers when we play tit for rat?

They carry on supplying mainland Europe as normal while our shelves and car dealers become rather sparsely populated. Plus it will be the final nail in the coffin of British industry with many of the existing players relocating to The Republic of Ireland or mainland Europe.

Why? What do YOU think might happen?