EU threatens to ban UK ag and food exports to them

Cowabunga · Sep 15, 2020

Muck Spreader said:
You mean foreign companies now make more cars in the UK than they ever did for the European market. No deal means much of that could stop.
Why would Germany ban car exports to the UK?

Of course they won't. They will be far more expensive in the UK of course and UK built cars will be most uncompetitive in Europe, their biggest market. If they go ahead with breaking the recent deal over the Irish border, we can forget any kind of deal that allows British vehicles favourable access into the USA and Canada also.

Cowabunga · Sep 15, 2020

Lincsman said:
Germany does not want to trade with us, at least thats the inference, manufacture of things moves around the world so no change there, there are more countries outside of the EU to sell british built cars to remember.

Which we could already trade with on favourable terms under deals made with the EU of course. Yet we are where we are and those other countries are of little current consequence in this context and we will have no trade deals with them any time soon and even if we did, do you really think their population would jump at reams more Range Rovers and Nissan Qashqai's?

ollie989898 · Sep 15, 2020

farmerm said:
Once upon a time the Roman empire conquered most if not all of Europe and more besides, times change, even Portugal once had an empire, empires rise, empires fall and the world moves on.

Not wishing to take anything away from those brave men and women who died but the truth is the United Kindom survived the risk of German invasion only because of the fortunate success of the Spitfire, Hitlers over confidence and an awful lot of luck. Our country was only able to returned to and liberate Europe because Japan dragged America into the war. Britain did lead the way in the industrial revolution of the 17-1800s but has never in my opinion at least, led the world in car manufacturing. Britain may have led the way in the agricultural revolution during a similar historic era but our union has been a net importer of food since the repeal of the Corn Laws in 1846, world leaders in food production we are not. Not even the seemingly immortal Jacob Reece Mogg was around to witness the mythical period of British "Greatness" which you are so keen to revive!

I have no doubts the UK can thrive outside the EU but make no mistake there will be some significant and in some cases painful rebalancing ahead of us, there will be good and services on both sides of the channel for which demand will crash overnight as new tariff and regulatory barriers take effect. Manufacturing accounts for only 20% of our economy, agriculture is 0.6%, most of our national GDP comes from white collar office based services. This pandemic has shown that with modern technology most white collar work can be done remotely or autonomously. If these roles can be filled by employees or algorithms who do not need to live within commuting distance to their London offices, do firms even need to fill the roles with expensive wage workers who live in the UK? India and Asia is full of very bright, very motivated and very cheap workers who are more than capable of filling many of our white collar office roles. Will the high rise commercial towers on which our economy is currently dependent, soon go the same way as the windmills, wool mills, ship yards and coal mines of our past?

Just for the record the prefix Great has nothing to do with our nations historic world concurring prowess! Great Britain is not a country it is merely the historic term for the largest island in the British Isles ie the land mass that is England, Scotland and Wales

IT has made it possible to work from home for at least a decade, if not longer. You neglect the UK's big financial sector and the international gravitas it has. You have also forgotten to mention the UK's trump card- innovation. The British design and develop a lot of stuff. This is where the intellectual property is created and where the money is.

If the UK is a sinking ship, why have Google and Facebook both been building huge offices here? Why are Nvidia so keen to buy ARM? An otherwise nondescript British semiconductor and software business?

Fast Farmer · Sep 15, 2020

Can't wait for the day there's no German cars on UK roads, too many arrogant BMW drivers that don't know what's indicators are

VW and Mercedes cars fudging there emissions BLOODY JOKE

Deranged peasant · Sep 15, 2020

Nancy Pelosis’s much repeated rant was countered by one of the NI politicians who actually negotiated the good Friday agreement as being unfounded.He suggested she consult someone closer to the deal, of course an anti trump element as well.
The UK as part of the EU have no trade agreement with the US or China and trade under WTO already.
It must be repeated this was never going to be easy, the EU is undoubtedly very worried about this massive economy on its doorstep out of its control.I forget exactly but UK is bigger than the smaller 16 or 18 EU countries added together.
They have also threatened to (again) move Euro clearing away from the city,
Switzerland has a vote later this month about changing its relationship with the EU and it’s not about moving closer.
Barnier is recorded on the BBC programme behind the scenes of Brexit saying Ireland would be used to pressurise the U.K.
The Japan deal looks to reduce many tariffs notably in the food and drink sector (Welsh lamb mentioned) Japan being the world’s largest net importer of food. The CBI like it so probably worthwhile.
Germany is up before the ECJ for a number of law infringements not to mention Poland and Hungary.
I might not like it particularly but I’m not dying in that ditch, we have actually left the EU.
Now is it too early to drill wheat .......

ollie989898 · Sep 15, 2020

I'll say this.

There have been plenty of people on this forum telling us how the UK isn't that big of a fish, just a 'minor' country now, a 'minor' player, a 'little' economy, nondescript, backwater, tax haven, I've seen it all a million times.

If this was true why are the EU making such a stink about us leaving? Plenty of countries trade with the EU, even those outside Europe. Yet these countries are not subject to their peculiar political laws and requirements?

Fast Farmer · Sep 15, 2020

JSmith said:
Would I be right in saying that England once conquered the world???! And also at a later date liberated much of Europe and it’s occupants??! Would I be right in saying that once upon a time Great Britain led the world in car manufacturing and food production?? We’ve become the dog that gets kicked and runs under the table with its tail up its arse, about time Boris stud up and told them what he really wants to which is to FECK RIGHT OFF an we can paddle our own canoe thankyou very much!! Let’s get back to being GREAT BRITAIN again

Don't think we liberated much of Europe on our own, we did have the rest of the U.K, Commonwealth, Russia and USA

Was there ever a Great Britain? All we did was conquer a 3rd of the world by pillaging, killing native populations of both humans and animals, stealing natural resources, all domestic industries striking constantly (coal, rail, cars,ports etc) big gap in gender equality, age equality, class equality, race equality doesn't sound so great to me....

farmerm · Sep 15, 2020

ollie989898 said:
IT has made it possible to work from home for at least a decade, if not longer. You neglect the UK's big financial sector and the international gravitas it has. You have also forgotten to mention the UK's trump card- innovation. The British design and develop a lot of stuff. This is where the intellectual property is created and where the money is.

If the UK is a sinking ship, why have Google and Facebook both been building huge offices here? Why are Nvidia so keen to buy ARM? An otherwise nondescript British semiconductor and software business?

We are not sinking just yet, but there is a real potential to do so if this government and future governments make the wrong decisions. You and I know remote working has been possible for a long while, its just office culture that has only just caught up with the concept! 12 months ago most company directors would have laughed at you if you suggested all their staff could work from home, now many directors are seriously questioning if they really need to continue to spend multi-millions on office rent each year! I have a friend who works in central London, like many offices they got sent home in March. His employers are currently providing funds to improve the home office spaces and broadband of its employees, they have been told their days of doing the daily commute are over. Others business will follow.

Like many offices I recently witnessed in construction in central London, Google and Facebook are committed to building offices commissioned long before this pandemic came about and the world changed... But for Google and Facebook, even if the sites end up being under-occupied they will still be a statement of wealth and power.

British design and development is indeed a valuable commodity but an economy can not survive on good ideas alone.

Cowabunga · Sep 15, 2020

ollie989898 said:
I'll say this.

There have been plenty of people on this forum telling us how the UK isn't that big of a fish, just a 'minor' country now, a 'minor' player, a 'little' economy, nondescript, backwater, tax haven, I've seen it all a million times.

If this was true why are the EU making such a stink about us leaving? Plenty of countries trade with the EU, even those outside Europe. Yet these countries are not subject to their peculiar political laws and requirements?

The answer is that that they are not. Most of them would currently welcome us out with a no deal. They have bigger fish to fry [pun intended].
It is the UK that wants out and needs to conclude new trade deals with many tens of other countries that are no worse than the deals already in place with the EU. Best of luck with that! The yet to be ratified Japanese deal is touted as being a great deal, just as was the Irish border deal a few months ago, yet we already know that the Japanese deal comes with far more stringent rules on out state aid than the one already made with the EU.

JSmith · Sep 15, 2020

I must retract my own personal opinion I’m sorry for daring to believe we as a country might be able to find our place in the world without supposedly solely relying on the EU for hand outs or trade deals!! I thought we were leaders in the worlds goings on to be looked up to and respected but thinking about it, it is a sh1t hole with too many sat on there arse waiting for a hand out, seems the EU exports a lot of them here too!!

Cowabunga · Sep 15, 2020

farmerm said:
We are not sinking just yet, but there is a real potential to do so if this government and future governments make the wrong decisions. You and I know remote working has been possible for a long while, its just office culture that has only just caught up with the concept! 12 months ago most company directors would have laughed at you if you suggested all their staff could work from home, now many directors are seriously questioning if they really need to continue to spend multi-millions on office rent each year! I have a friend who works in central London, like many offices they got sent home in March. His employers are currently providing funds to improve the home office spaces and broadband of its employees, they have been told their days of doing the daily commute are over. Others business will follow.

Like many offices I recently witnessed in construction in central London, Google and Facebook are committed to building offices commissioned long before this pandemic came about and the world changed... But for Google and Facebook, even if the sites end up being under-occupied they will still be a statement of wealth and power.

British design and development is indeed a valuable commodity but an economy can not survive on good ideas alone.

Office space, like retail space is now f**ked. I doubt whether more than 50% of those now working from home will be asked to work at the old office more than occasionally in future. Having gone down this road so far, there's nothing whatsoever stopping companies outsourcing their office staff to anywhere in the world, much like what happened to call centres. The hope is that staff will be required to attend the office at least one or two days a week, if only to engender a team spirit. Unless there is teamwork software that could connect team members together remotely. I suspect that someone somewhere will have already thought of that.

bobk · Sep 15, 2020

Muck Spreader said:
Mitsubishi don't manufacture in Europe. GPDR will still be relevant to UK companies after 1/1/21 just that it will be called UK-GPDR, so no benefits there either.

I want some of this

Coronavirus: Could UK adopt German pay top-up scheme?

Instead of inventing a job support scheme for the pandemic, Germany already had one oven-ready.

www.bbc.co.uk

Cowabunga · Sep 15, 2020

JSmith said:
I must retract my own personal opinion I’m sorry for daring to believe we as a country might be able to find our place in the world without supposedly solely relying on the EU for hand outs or trade deals!! I thought we were leaders in the worlds goings on to be looked up to and respected but thinking about it, it is a sh1t hole with too many sat on there arse waiting for a hand out, seems the EU exports a lot of them here too!!

This kind of childish arrogance is why we are in a shïthole. You assume that the English are somehow superior to others and have no need to cooperate with them to attain scale and strength in negotiations with other parties. The days of gunboat diplomacy and The Empire have long gone and much of the rest of the world look at you with distain if not worse. They have long had enough of the English arrogance, from Australia, Canada, Africa to America and Asia.
To get anywhere with these trading blocks we need to be in our own trading block, which the EU certainly is, and a very effective and powerful one. Now, of course, 'we' have decided to be outside even this, our neighbour's trading block.

What do you expect Little England to achieve outside and how? That graph posted earlier is an excellent example or damned lies and statistics in that although most of the EU has a trading surplus with the UK, they are many with a relatively small proportion of their individual country's exports coming to the UK while we are reliant for the vast majority of our exports going to the EU. Anyone who cannot see our overwhelming weakness in this position is either deluded or too thick to understand business and trade. It is going to hurt the UK far more than it is going to hurt them. All trade between us will be badly effected of course and nobody wins, just that some will be badly injured for possibly generation into the future.

bobk · Sep 15, 2020

Cowabunga said:
This kind of childish arrogance is why we are in a shïthole. You assume that the English are somehow superior to others and have no need to cooperate with them to attain scale and strength in negotiations with other parties. The days of gunboat diplomacy and The Empire have long gone and much of the rest of the world look at you with distain if not worse. They have long had enough of the English arrogance, from Australia, Canada, Africa to America and Asia.
To get anywhere with these trading blocks we need to be in our own trading block, which the EU certainly is, and a very effective and powerful one. Now, of course, 'we' have decided to be outside even this, our neighbour's trading block.

What do you expect Little England to achieve outside and how? That graph posted earlier is an excellent example or damned lies and statistics in that although most of the EU has a trading surplus with the UK, they are many with a relatively small proportion of their individual country's exports coming to the UK while we are reliant for the vast majority of our exports going to the EU. Anyone who cannot see our overwhelming weakness in this position is either deluded or too thick to understand business and trade. It is going to hurt the UK far more than it is going to hurt them. All trade between us will be badly effected of course and nobody wins, just that some will be badly injured for possibly generation into the future.

Are you a member of a buying group Duck ? or do you do diy ( for inputs etc ) , if so your argument is lessened . do as I say not as I do .

Highland Mule · Sep 15, 2020

Cowabunga said:
Anyone who cannot see our overwhelming weakness in this position is either deluded or too thick to understand business and trade.

I find it helpful to equate it to my relationship with a major supermarket. I have a trade deficit to them, but there is no way I am the dominant party in any trade negotiations.

bobk · Sep 15, 2020

Highland Mule said:
I find it helpful to equate it to my relationship with a major supermarket. I have a trade deficit to them, but there is no way I am the dominant party in any trade negotiations.

No , but you have other options , it's not a kibbutz .

thesilentone · Sep 15, 2020

Muck Spreader said:
Mitsubishi don't manufacture in Europe. GPDR will still be relevant to UK companies after 1/1/21 just that it will be called UK-GPDR, so no benefits there either.

Think you've all missed the point, which is red tape and regulation 10-15% of revenue for GDPR is a major cost for every Company, and affects competitiveness. If Mitsubishi complied with strict EU emissions, they would not be leaving.

All the EU has is a protected market closed shop v the rest of the World, only one winner.........

How to beat the Competition, regulate them out of the market, I don't think so..........

Muck Spreader · Sep 15, 2020

Fast Farmer said:
Don't think we liberated much of Europe on our own, we did have the rest of the U.K, Commonwealth, Russia and USA

Was there ever a Great Britain? All we did was conquer a 3rd of the world by pillaging, killing native populations of both humans and animals, stealing natural resources, all domestic industries striking constantly (coal, rail, cars,ports etc) big gap in gender equality, age equality, class equality, race equality doesn't sound so great to me....

Are you not being a bit harsh, especially as it's Battle of Britain day. Which IMO was a truly pivotal moment in WW2 not only by showing the Germans we were not going to be a pushover, but relaying that message over to the US where a great many influential politicians and business leaders thought the UK was finished and were looking to a future with Hitler instead.

matthew · Sep 15, 2020

ollie989898 said:
Load of nonsense. On what basis can they ban anything?

ollie989898 said:
I'll say this.

There have been plenty of people on this forum telling us how the UK isn't that big of a fish, just a 'minor' country now, a 'minor' player, a 'little' economy, nondescript, backwater, tax haven, I've seen it all a million times.

If this was true why are the EU making such a stink about us leaving? Plenty of countries trade with the EU, even those outside Europe. Yet these countries are not subject to their peculiar political laws and requirements?

There is a big difference between ‘banned’ and ‘not permitted’ - and until we (the UK) apply to trade and are accepted as a Third Country, then our goods cannot enter the countries which form the European Union. This applies to all goods but especially to Sanitary and Phytosanitary .
That's animals, animal products and plants / plant products..

Countries which do trade with the EU have already completed this process. We have not.

Highland Mule · Sep 15, 2020

bobk said:
No , but you have other options , it's not a kibbutz .

I do indeed, but if I was a Tesco pizza or a coop lasagne, I have to trade with them on their terms.

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