EU threatens to ban UK ag and food exports to them

farmerm · Sep 17, 2020

ollie989898 said:
Good luck to the German and French car markers on January first then!

I didn't give a fig for how much luck the German and French car makers have, and very importantly lets not forget it is also not a high priority for many of their EU neighbors! What I care is will we be granted market access and be able to export agricultural products and food to the EU. Will we be able to import critical machine parts and ag chemicals and will there be punitive tariffs applied in either direction.

ollie989898 · Sep 17, 2020

farmerm said:
I didn't give a fig for how much luck the German and French car makers have, and very importantly lets not forget it is also not a high priority for many of their EU neighbors! What I care is will we be granted market access and be able to export agricultural products and food to the EU. Will we be able to import critical machine parts and ag chemicals and will there be punitive tariffs applied in either direction.

The UK government has stated it would offer a free trade agreement to anyone who wanted one.

If another party takes punitive action with tariffs or non-tariff barriers the UK government could well opt to do respond in kind. Such is life.

farmerm · Sep 17, 2020

Highland Mule said:
No, they're not threatening to stop the export of anything - that would suggest they have control of our borders, which they don't. They do have control of theirs though, and if we want them to import from us, we need to register for that as a "third country". All they are doing is reminding us that we haven't done so yet. If you want to get angry with anyone, get angry with your own government who can't be bothered to fill in the relevant forms.

Becoming registered as a third country requires action on both sides.... one side must fill in the registration forms, the other must approve them...... What is the truth in where this process is at?

matthew · Sep 17, 2020

ollie989898 said:
I'm not angry with anyone. I just think their behaviour is pathetic and it confirms my view that leaving is by the far the correct option. Europe has never been capable of controlling their borders, most of the constituent countries haven't bothered for near on 50 years I would bet.

Their (the EU?) behaviour is merely following the rules and Treaties which we also signed as a Member State. No more, no less. So I'll make it simple:

Think of the EU as a castle, with a moat. Within the castle, goods and services flow freely across borders.
Any other country can trade with the bloc, but first they need to apply to trade and follow some common regularity dictats to do so. Otherwise the drawbridge comes up and the moat prevents goods entering.

This is where the UK is at present. Our government has not yet applied to export goods into the EU as a 'Third country'.. and this dereliction, if not completed and agreed, will leave UK exporters floundering on January 1st. 2021.

matthew · Sep 17, 2020

farmerm said:
Becoming registered as a third country requires action on both sides.... one side must fill in the registration forms, the other must approve them...... What is the truth in where this process is at?

We haven't applied.

From Barnier this week: http://www.eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=87733

farmerm · Sep 17, 2020

ollie989898 said:
The UK government has stated it would offer a free trade agreement to anyone who wanted one.

If another party takes punitive action with tariffs or non-tariff barriers the UK government could well opt to do respond in kind. Such is life.

Oh of course the EU should be jumping for joy.... the UK is being generously offering a free trade deal with the EU..... why the EU think that it would be unacceptable to continuing to share in the key free trade benefits of being in the EU but without sharing in the costs or responsibilities is beyond me

ollie989898 · Sep 17, 2020

farmerm said:
Oh of course the EU should be jumping for joy.... the UK is being generously offering a free trade deal with the EU..... why the EU think that it would be unacceptable to continuing to share in the key free trade benefits of being in the EU but without sharing in the costs or responsibilities is beyond me

It is because the EU is not a trade agreement or trading bloc. It is a political union dressed up as something else. Understandably they don't like to see a member leave as it will encourage others to do so.

Highland Mule · Sep 17, 2020

farmerm said:
Oh of course the EU should be jumping for joy.... the UK is being generously offering a free trade deal with the EU..... why the EU think that it would be unacceptable to continuing to share in the key free trade benefits of being in the EU but without sharing in the costs or responsibilities is beyond me

Great, so now you want to be a member of the club without paying the subscription. Is that the Norway deal you want?

Have our goverment even offered the EU a free trade deal as you suggest? I don't believe that to be the case either.

farmerm · Sep 17, 2020

matthew said:
We haven't applied.

The next question is why? Is it a dereliction or is the application all prepared and ready to submit but is being held back for some tactical reasons? I would suggest there will be parts of the application that if agreed to would put serious restrictions in our ability to trade freely elsewhere? The UK must submit and application to become a third country exporter but once in the hands of the EU they can sit on it or even reject it if they are actually willing to shoot both sides in the knees and feet.

Danllan · Sep 17, 2020

runny egg said:
Nothing to do with hoping for anything - there is only one possible answer. I reckon HMG are waking up to it.

That's your preferred interpretation, certainly.

farmerm · Sep 17, 2020

Highland Mule said:
Great, so now you want to be a member of the club without paying the subscription. Is that the Norway deal you want?

Have our goverment even offered the EU a free trade deal as you suggest? I don't believe that to be the case either.

Sorry my sarcasm may not have been too clear... It is Ollie that is promoting the have your cake and eat it deal No the EU will not accept such terms and the ERG negotiators of course know this...

ollie989898 · Sep 17, 2020

The UK government stated they would offer a genuine free trade agreement with any other party who wanted it. That doesn't suit the EU (understandably) and they are pished the UK aren't going to give them preferential access to the UK's markets any longer, now it will be up to individual nations to negotiate and get access to the UK's markets. If Kenya, Peru, Argentina or whoever want a free trade arrangement, they will be able to have one. This was not the case during the UK's EU membership as member states were banned from doing deals by themselves.

Seriously, all the EU have is a ban hammer over fudging food? It's hilarious really. It's petty and vindictive. Wow, how scary.

matthew · Sep 17, 2020

farmerm said:
The next question is why? Is it a dereliction or is the application all prepared and ready to submit but is being held back for some tactical reasons? I would suggest there will be parts of the application that if agreed to would put serious restrictions in our ability to trade freely elsewhere? The UK must submit and application to become a third country exporter but once in the hands of the EU they can sit on it or even reject it if they are actually willing to shoot both sides in the knees and feet.

No idea why. That is something we'd all need to ask our MPs etc.

I asked mine a couple of years ago, and his SPAD thought I was referring to a 'Third World country'.
They hadn't a clue what the phrase even meant in relation to trade with the EU.

Farmer1001 · Sep 17, 2020

Danllan said:
That's your preferred interpretation, certainly.

Funny how I didn’t actually provide an answer but you know what it is.

JimAndy · Sep 17, 2020

https://britishmeatindustry.org/not-good-enough-boris/

Danllan · Sep 17, 2020

runny egg said:
Funny how I didn’t actually provide an answer but you know what it is.

I didn't write that you had answered, merely that you had shared your preferred narrative.

And, anyway, a bit rich coming from someone who claimed to know what was worth listening to before he'd heard it...

farmerm · Sep 17, 2020

ollie989898 said:
The UK government stated they would offer a genuine free trade agreement with any other party who wanted it. That doesn't suit the EU (understandably) and they are pished the UK aren't going to give them preferential access to the UK's markets any longer, now it will be up to individual nations to negotiate and get access to the UK's markets. If Kenya, Peru, Argentina or whoever want a free trade arrangement, they will be able to have one. This was not the case during the UK's EU membership as member states were banned from doing deals by themselves.

Seriously, all the EU have is a ban hammer over fudging food? It's hilarious really. It's petty and vindictive. Wow, how scary.

Its not so funny when your livelihood is in the food sector... a sector that has great value to most EU member states but is not valued by our own state. A fat man throws much food away, a thin man collects and savors every crumb.

Farmer1001 · Sep 17, 2020

ollie989898 said:
The UK government stated they would offer a genuine free trade agreement with any other party who wanted it. That doesn't suit the EU (understandably) and they are pished the UK aren't going to give them preferential access to the UK's markets any longer, now it will be up to individual nations to negotiate and get access to the UK's markets. If Kenya, Peru, Argentina or whoever want a free trade arrangement, they will be able to have one. This was not the case during the UK's EU membership as member states were banned from doing deals by themselves.

Seriously, all the EU have is a ban hammer over fudging food? It's hilarious really. It's petty and vindictive. Wow, how scary.

Ollie you do talk some tosh at times, 43% of our export is geared toward the EU 27 and their personal buying habits, we have basically built ourselves (right or wrong) around our closest and easiest neighbours, your hatred for the EU clouds your ability to see logic on trade. The fact they are a 27 member buying club allows us to supply all 27 without the hassle of doing individual deals, but you are simply unable to see past the letters E and U. Ollie we have left, what the EU do as a Union is no longer our business, we should be concentrating on what’s good for the UK. As been said on here by many of the arch leavers - if the EU was a trading bloc then we would have been happy to stay, so let’s concentrate on making that trade deal rather than chucking baby out with the bath water.

Farmer1001 · Sep 17, 2020

JimAndy said:
https://britishmeatindustry.org/not-good-enough-boris/

This should be read. I reckon the longest thread on TFF would be to list the failures and incompetence of the idiots running the show. Makes no difference which way anyone voted, we are out and being royally f**ked by our own side.

ollie989898 · Sep 17, 2020

runny egg said:
Ollie you do talk some tosh at times, 43% of our export is geared toward the EU 27 and their personal buying habits, we have basically built ourselves (right or wrong) around our closest and easiest neighbours, your hatred for the EU clouds your ability to see logic on trade. The fact they are a 27 member buying club allows us to supply all 27 without the hassle of doing individual deals, but you are simply unable to see past the letters E and U. Ollie we have left, what the EU do as a Union is no longer our business, we should be concentrating on what’s good for the UK. As been said on here by many of the arch leavers - if the EU was a trading bloc then we would have been happy to stay, so let’s concentrate on making that trade deal rather than chucking baby out with the bath water.

The EU is not a trading bloc, it's a political union dressed up as one. It isn't even one of free trade, either, despite the beliefs of arch-remainers.

The UK government has stated it will consider a genuine free trade arrangement with any interested parties. That is a landmark move by a G7 nation however you try to paint it and it should be applauded. Negotiating such an arrangement isn't that difficult and indeed WTO rules are designed to facilitate that.

I couldn't give a damn what the EU choose to do, I just find it highly amusing that they are behaving with such petulance and the first thing they can think of to threaten us with is a fudging food embargo? Really?! It's petty and ridiculous.

I am in general in favour of free trade, the EU has never yet had such an arrangement, maybe one day they will, I won't hold my breath though.

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