EU threatens to ban UK ag and food exports to them

[Henarar]

BMW Audi and Vw etc supply global markets, are you saying they should have a factory in each country or just the UK? Btw who own those
Companies? This is dark age stuff - we may as well build a few coal stations and open the mines whilst we are at it.

good idea

 

[Ukjay]

Look back at the UK car industry in the 70's, useless managers and militant unions, nissan is world leading productivity in Sunderland, if they can do it so can the rest, we need the government to make it easy for them to do it here, yes of course no one is saying we can beat the Chinese for cost of production but just because we are good at design now why cant the chinese do that as well? You have just shown the attitude that lost uk manufacturers their jobs, we need to keep up with the world in all aspects or others will take over, the uk consumer needs to understand buy cheap and lose a job that pays for your job, companies, unions,governments and consumers are in this together, we need to innovate to prosper, look at farmers, how many stick to the same old ways of working, so this going to be easy ? No will it take time and be hard ? Yes but sticking our heads in the sand will be worse.

Exploitation of people and resources is nothing new, hence why so much financial worth is in the hands of so few... That part will never change..

 

[thesilentone]

Nissan, Toyota etc only built car plants in the UK to supply the EU market. Without continued easy or tariff free access they just become pointless cost centres.

Unless we subsidize them

 

[Muck Spreader]

Unless we subsidize them

I don't think following Corbynisum is any solution, especially as the country will be severe financial difficulties as it is.

 

[Henarar]

Exploitation of people and resources is nothing new, hence why so much financial worth is in the hands of so few... That part will never change..

Never is a long time, as the song goes

 

[Ukjay]

Never is a long time, as the song goes

It certainly is Henanar, and will be long after I expire this mortal coil.. If it could ever change...

 

[farmerm]

But it's wings didn't have a reputation for breaking off when pulling out of a dive like the 109. The problem of stalling in the Spitfire was solved with a restrictor device called "Miss Shillings orifice" but were only fitted in the months following the battle.

Regarding the battle no luck about it, but it wasn't' due to radar (the Germans already had far more sophisticated radar than the British), but down to Hugh Dowding's development of the Dowding system the world's first integrated air defence system, which was something the Germans had no answer to at the time.

Luck played a big part. After Dunkirk Hitler assumed Britain would see it was hopelessly ill equipped to put up any real resistance and would negotiate an armistice rather than face a German invasion. Hitlers real focus was to the East. During the summer of 1940 had the Germans continued to hit the airfields and radars it would have wiped out the RAF.. but German bombers, under instruction not to target London accidently hit London.... The RAF responded by bombing Berlin and Hitler was so incensed he redirected the air campaign to target our citys not our airforce, that one decision changed the course of the battle.

 

[robs1]

I absolutely agree we have let it go, but that doesn’t mean we can or will bring it back. Nissan would not do today what they did back then, the world has moved on and we are thinking we can go back. Like it or not (and I don’t) the Uk is shifting more towards imports than self sufficiency, brexit will simply speed it up. The public don’t need to “understand anything”, they will do what they wish and no amount of buy British will change it. Many would agree to put more money into the NHS but how many would send a few quid each week of their own? Wake up and face the future, we need to look forward and capitalise on the opportunists rather than bringing back what we have away and will never get back. If we don’t then we will simply repeat the past by giving away future opportunities before we even have them as we waste time crying over the past.

So how will 21st century Britain pay it's way, we have seen during the pandemic that all these service jobs arent worth a bean. Is the whole country going to become a theme park

 

[Farmer1001]

So how will 21st century Britain pay it's way, we have seen during the pandemic that all these service jobs arent worth a bean. Is the whole country going to become a theme park

Well the ag bill will see the countryside a theme park, but theme parks pay - when there is no pandemic. Global Britain needs to think Global and not insular. Whether we “pay our way” is to be seen.

 

[wanton dwarf]

BMW Audi and Vw etc supply global markets, are you saying they should have a factory in each country or just the UK? Btw who own those
Companies? This is dark age stuff - we may as well build a few coal stations and open the mines whilst we are at it.

Horror upon horror that the UK should manufacture it's own goods .. still nothing like a Lefty to want the complete opposite.

No wonder the North stopped voting Labour and was pro Brexit.

Get the message Lefties .. some people want to work for a living not rot on benefits.

 

[wanton dwarf]

Well the ag bill will see the countryside a theme park, but theme parks pay - when there is no pandemic. Global Britain needs to think Global and not insular. Whether we “pay our way” is to be seen.

Wrong on almost all counts.

Given the UK has a weak manufacturing sector - thanks to decades of Westminster bias - the UK needs an internal market to protect growing industry.

IF the UK can replace imports with home grown industry THEN you can look Global .. but IMHO THAT market is rigged. For example who even monitors China's monetary flows ? I also doubt if any Billionaire cares if China is endlessly printing money to fund it's growth.

 

[thesilentone]

Well the ag bill will see the countryside a theme park, but theme parks pay - when there is no pandemic. Global Britain needs to think Global and not insular. Whether we “pay our way” is to be seen.

I think you're correct, with the exception of our main food supply. It is predicted that we will not be clear of Covid until at least 2024, in between, other things will happen. We cannot allow ourselves to be food vulnerable, we need greater food security from home production, consumerism is a different story.

Globalism and World markets offer a massive opportunity, however, goods need to get from AtoB, and there is no doubt, we will have to make some political sacrifices in favour of the Global Warming agenda.

 

[Farmer1001]

Horror upon horror that the UK should manufacture it's own goods .. still nothing like a Lefty to want the complete opposite.

No wonder the North stopped voting Labour and was pro Brexit.

Get the message Lefties .. some people want to work for a living not rot on benefits.

Where have I said the the UK should not manufacture it’s own goods? But your typical of those who want it to happen but won’t make it happen, set up a Go Fund Page, borrow a few quid, launch your ideas and crack on, you won’t because a typical lefty expects someone else to do it for them - usually mugs like me.

 

[Muck Spreader]

Luck played a big part. After Dunkirk Hitler assumed Britain would see it was hopelessly ill equipped to put up any real resistance and would negotiate an armistice rather than face a German invasion. Hitlers real focus was to the East. During the summer of 1940 had the Germans continued to hit the airfields and radars it would have wiped out the RAF.. but German bombers, under instruction not to target London accidently hit London.... The RAF responded by bombing Berlin and Hitler was so incensed he redirected the air campaign to target our citys not our airforce, that one decision changed the course of the battle.

The Germans were never in a position to mount an invasion, even if the RAF had been destroyed. By the time the Luftwaffe started bombing London the damage had already been done to them as they were literally running out of air crew and planes that they were unable to replace. Whereas the availability of new fighter planes to the RAF had increased from around 150 a month at the star of the year to nearly 500 a month by July.

 

[Swarfmonkey]

Wrong on almost all counts.

Given the UK has a weak manufacturing sector - thanks to decades of Westminster bias - the UK needs an internal market to protect growing industry.

Er, not quite. My day job is in precision manufacturing, and the UK is pretty much level pegging with countries like France and Italy. The problem is that many outside manufacturing have a view of it that's fifty years out of date (as out of date as townies that think Little Grey Fergies are what every farmer relies on?).

I don't blame people for thinking that though. It's just not as visible as it used to be. The days of hundreds of men in flat caps walking into huge sheds to pull levers and turn handwheels for 8 hours a day are gone, replaced by half a dozen CNC technicians tending kit that run 24/7, 365 days a year, in a relatively small windowless industrial unit on the outskirts of town.

 

[bobk]

The Germans were never in a position to mount an invasion, even if the RAF had been destroyed. By the time the Luftwaffe started bombing London the damage had already been done to them as they were literally running out of air crew and planes that they were unable to replace. Whereas the availability of new fighter planes to the RAF had increased from around 150 a month at the star of the year to nearly 500 a month by July.

I was hoping we wouldn't mention the war ... but oh no ..

 

[7610 super q]

I can't believe we've got to page 14 without mentioning chlorinated chicken.

 

[Henarar]

I can't believe we've got to page 14 without mentioning chlorinated chicken.

if we can't export anything to the EU we won't need it so tuff titty if you were planning to become a major importer

 

[Highland Mule]

I can't believe we've got to page 14 without mentioning chlorinated chicken.

Post 10 on the first page.

 

[Y Fan Wen]

Worth catching up on tweets between Barnier and Frost
In event of no deal EU has threatened to ban ag and food exports to them.
Would have effect of making food exports to NI from the rest of the U.K. illegal.
This looks to be part of what’s behind the move to change the treaty.

There is no 'ban' involved. On January 1st GB needs to apply to be listed as an approved third country. If GB is not listed then the EU cannot import from GB. The difference is subtle but important. The process for approval should be going on at the moment but the govt. is not interested in progressing it, probably because of the influence of the ERG, a group which is hell bent on destroying our relationship with the continent.