caveman
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Same could be said for U bend slime.
Where's the U turn?
EU threatens to ban UK ag and food exports to them
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Where's the U turn?
Cowabunga
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What would you call this situation then?
Brexit: Amal Clooney quits government envoy role over law break plan
The human rights lawyer says she is "dismayed" by the UK being prepared to break international law.
www.bbc.co.uk
I suggest you get out of that cave and smell the coffee.
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Yes so slight an interest it cost lives of many soldiers defending the rights of the citizens who wanted to remain in the UK .
You know the democratic majority, if that changes then the rest of us will be sad if they leave the UK, but one thing I guarantee is that we wont act like spoilt brats like the EU have we will part on good terms.
Cowabunga
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You totally miss the ironic point. It doesn't surprise me one little bit.
caveman
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So? The powers that be are going ahead with preparations to accommodate a deal.
What would you call this situation then?
Brexit: Amal Clooney quits government envoy role over law break plan
The human rights lawyer says she is "dismayed" by the UK being prepared to break international law.www.bbc.co.uk
I suggest you get out of that cave and smell the coffee.
Isn't getting a deal the end game?
As for that bint. Who gives a flying f**k?
Cowabunga
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Oh dear me! I wonder what sort of qualifications and experience you have compared to Mrs Clooney? I'm fairly sure of the answer.
She also has principles.
caveman
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She'll be just another parasite.
She's probably been itching for an excuse to get out... So she can concentrate on keeping her old fella in check.
Danllan
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You raised the matter, see below, and I can't see how it could 'correlate', the very real EDU (and its proposed and likely successor) not being affected by or dependent upon 19th Century naval power.But there is an obvious nexus between your assertion - dig - claiming that Brexit supporters want gunboat diplomacy, and your beloved EU doing its best to establish itself as a military power, presumably (and remarkably stupidly) in an effort to bypass NATO.
We know that the EU doesn't want military power for humanitarian purposes, Cosovo etc. demonstrate that; and, following the Crimean fun and games, we know that lovely Germany would rather chew broken glass than annoy Russia, much, because it would freeze if it did - so the EU won't do anything like that. Why is the EU seeking to make itself 'powerful' if not for defence or peacekeeping? The options are fairly limited, and they include what you referred to, gunboat diplomacy; perhaps the EU have watched China and want to give it a go...
Now, you have to show me that your claim, below, is factual, rather than just mere pejorative writing...
One of the problems is Leavers back in the day didn't like the EEC either, due to it's the lack of rules governing things like state aid, unfair working practices, mutual recognition of standards etc. which they though was disadvantaging UK industry. So Thatcher drove forward the concept of a European single market to change this and unsurprisingly the ruddy Leavers didn't like that either because this was now infringing on their mystical UK sovereignty. Basically they would just like to go back to the 19th century international rule book, which stated whoever had the biggest navy set all the trading rules.
Danllan
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She's fairly well respected in her field, but no genius and she does play identity politics.
But, she's a damned hypocrite in this matter, the EU have been 'breaking international law'* for years, she must know this, and yet hasn't complained once. Remoaner hissy fit, no more.
*Which doesn't actually exist.
Cowabunga
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Have you examples of this with references? I'm sure you must have several.
good idea, what about the border though ? a big wall ?maybe Wales can break free and join the eu
Can you just imagine the incandescent rage from @danllclan
Top legal opinion: It’s the EU which has broken international law, not the UK
For months the EU has been in material breach of its obligations under the Withdrawal Treaty
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But there is an obvious nexus between your assertion - dig - claiming that Brexit supporters want gunboat diplomacy, and your beloved EU doing its best to establish itself as a military power, presumably (and remarkably stupidly) in an effort to bypass NATO.
We know that the EU doesn't want military power for humanitarian purposes, Cosovo etc. demonstrate that; and, following the Crimean fun and games, we know that lovely Germany would rather chew broken glass than annoy Russia, much, because it would freeze if it did - so the EU won't do anything like that. Why is the EU seeking to make itself 'powerful' if not for defence or peacekeeping? The options are fairly limited, and they include what you referred to, gunboat diplomacy; perhaps the EU have watched China and want to give it a go...
Now, you have to show me that your claim, below, is factual, rather than just mere pejorative writing...
I have no idea what you are rambling about. The European Defence Agency is just that an agency, it is not going to launch a pre-emptive strike on anyone unless they can beat them to death with a laptop.
As for gun boat diplomacy you only have to look at recent talks with China:
SNP MP Angus MacNeil, referencing 19th century moves by British imperialists to send gun boats to China during the Opium Wars, advised the Defence Secretary to brush up on his history.
George Osborne "You've got the Defence Secretary engaging in gunboat diplomacy of a quite old-fashioned kind, at the same time as the Chancellor of the Exchequer and the Foreign Secretary are going around saying they want a close economic partnership with China.
Gavin Willamson
UK must be ready to take “action” against “those who flout international law…to
shore up the global system of rules and standards on which our security and our prosperity depends.”He has made that claim of EU breaking international law, over and over, without a scintilla of supporting data. Interesting also, that in another post defending Boris for breaking international law, he uses as part of the defence that there is “no such thing as international law”! Then he regularly calls others hypocrites. And this fellow, has legal training! The mind really does boggle!
Sadly he does have an unquestioning following on here, who fall for his “wondrous knowledge”, proportionate I guess to the percentage of the general population who fell for the “wondrous knowledge, lies, untruths, etc peddled by Farage / Boris”, in the Brexit referendum campaign.
Danllan
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Of course, but you can do a search for it yourself easily enough. For a start, just take a squint at the WTO treaty it signed and has ignored, and the rulings following treaty breaches, which it's ignored, including those regarding GM foods and Airbus among others.
Because nobody asked for them. I didn't defend Boris for breaking it, although I applaud his action, I stated that it didn't exist so a defence wasn't necessary.
Cowabunga
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Full of hyperbole but contains no substance. Typical propagandist article.Top legal opinion: It’s the EU which has broken international law, not the UK
For months the EU has been in material breach of its obligations under the Withdrawal Treaty
This is the gist of their argument...
- "The EU has been acting in breach of a material term of the WA, meaning that the treaty was entered into on a false premise"
Cowabunga
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No. I specifically asked YOU to justify your claims. Both in terms of EU or other international agreements and for Mrs Von Der Leyen.
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Is she the one who advised the Greek government to sue HMG over the Elgin Marbles?
Danllan
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Alright, look at its breach with Airbus for a start:
EU paid Airbus billions in illegal subsidies, WTO rules
The World Trade Organisation rules the EU paid illegal aid to the European planemaker, paving the way for trade tariffs.
www.bbc.co.uk
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