- Location
- South Molton
The issue will be that the Mid tier will be income forgone and may have costs involved. Materials or management time.
Therefore you could be more than 10% worse off.
George Eustice's announcement "The path to sustainable farming." 2021-2024
- Thread starter Sid
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Therefore you could be more than 10% worse off.
- Location
- North Somerset.
Have the markets factored in a no deal Brexit to the value of the £?
If the value of the £ falls that will help my small operation turn a profit more than any SFP or ELMS scheme. It seems a fall in the value of Stirling is the only way of making the supermarkets pay a fair price for my beef because they can’t import foreign crap cheaper.
farmerm
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- Location
- Shropshire
Have you noticed the markets have barely blinked following the greatest fall in GDP and fastest increase in unemployment in economic history... Stirling should be in freefall but investors don't know where else to go... in the bigger picture the impact of Brexit on the overall UK economy is negligible in comparison, though it might just be enough to tip the balance.
serf
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- warwickshire
I'm already there, so way ahead of the game
But you've just got your fancy new Fendt you need to find work for now!I'm already there, so way ahead of the game
serf
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- Location
- warwickshire
Sh!t I've been rumbled.... will have to go all in nowBut you've just got your fancy new Fendt you need to find work for now!
It wasnt a painless transition either, there were a lot of farmers took their own lives which is often forgotten.
serf
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- Location
- warwickshire
It's on its roof with a 20T trailer ontop of it down the road on the bend
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farmerm
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- Location
- Shropshire
One thing is fact, the budget is to remain the same as BPS but the investment we have to put in to get your share has shifted from just an hour or two filling the BPS form to investing considerable time and money undertaking measures likely to also reduce output.. there will also be many none farming hands taking directly from the pot too, the additional administration costs alone will be colossal. Maybe in 2024 you do get a payment equivalent to 40% of your BPS but that 40% could be consumed entirely by the costs and income forgone due to the measures you undertake to qualify for it.
willie waver
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- walking in the ayr
why you putting hay through your chopper in the middle of the yard? is that an old fashioned Friesian you've got there too?
serf
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- Location
- warwickshire
We,re trying to get the dog n stick haymaking out of our system so thought a good transision Would be to blow it thru an 800hp jag ! And the friesans are on way out , we heard theres these new big holstein I think they are they got lots of milk that no one pays you for and they have a calf that no one wants either so thought that would be the way forward 
This whole admin cost thing.
If all of the area payment element of ELMS was paid to PP, there wouldn't be any admin costs. What am I missing ?
4course
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- Location
- north yorks
a fair number of folks seem to have rec the last full payment today . how many have worked out how they are going to replace that amount after costs and what are they /we/us thinking of doing
Mixedupfarmer
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- Location
- Norfolk
I don't get this? You will be on 50% BPS. Mid tier is calculated on income forgone, and has costs attached, how will that help replace BPS unless the option rates are massively higher? If it is easy to administer the mid tier options on your farm, why are you not already doing it with full BPS as well? We also will be loosing over 50% BPS by 2024, but have already got a (comparatively small) mid tier agreement, so currently claim both. From our experience there is little to no extra profit to mid tier over previous cropping/stocking when every thing is added up, along with the potential to loose payments if anything is wrong in an inspection. It is not going to replace much BPS unless payments are MASSIVELY increased.
gone up the hill
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- Location
- Devon
What are the % reductions for the BPS for 2021/22/23 years?
Are they still going to pay some of the BPS from 2024 to and including 2027?
Can you still apply for Mid/ Higher Tier next year for a start date in early 2022?
Are they still going to pay some of the BPS from 2024 to and including 2027?
Can you still apply for Mid/ Higher Tier next year for a start date in early 2022?
I don’t understand people that still think Elms will replace BPS, unless in a very simplified form, ie- get paid a few pounds for low input pp, or not cutting hedges every year. The current environmental schemes and the good old HLS we once had, allow you to get paid for the option, like 6m margins or wild bird seed plots, whilst crucially still getting the BPS on top.
So say £125 acre for the option plus the £90 bps, gives £215,/ minus cost of establishing/ seed etc, maybe leaving £150 acre before rent( if your lucky)
new Elms scheme £125 acre, no bps, same costs, is £35 before rent, which will put you in a loss making scenario .
So say £125 acre for the option plus the £90 bps, gives £215,/ minus cost of establishing/ seed etc, maybe leaving £150 acre before rent( if your lucky)
new Elms scheme £125 acre, no bps, same costs, is £35 before rent, which will put you in a loss making scenario .
4course
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- Location
- north yorks
exactly and what I cant understand is why folks havnt realised that they are soon going to be around £90/acre short of income ,I can only assume that many think the price of outputs will increase and the price of inputs will decrease which over time has never happened