Oxford AZ vaccine approved

neilo

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Montgomeryshire
Im beginning to think the first part of Post 29 is a load of bullshite.

I wouldn’t be so sure. In 2001 our government had a recruitment campaign for a much smaller animal health vaccination program, to try to stop FMD.
I knew a couple of farmer’s sons (& shearers with little work) that enrolled on it. They went off to do a residential course on jabbing, at an Ag college in Devon. The ‘teacher’ started by saying they would eat art by running cattle into a crush.....followed by a ruck of hands going up, to ask what a ‘crush’ was. They eventually got past the basics of cattle handling and moved on to practical sessions.....where they practised jabbing on rolled up carpets!

The urgency of this vaccination program is far greater of course, and still run by HMG.
 

Slick

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Location
Beds
Im beginning to think the first part of Post 29 is a load of bullshite.
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GP's aren't doing the vaccinating, but their practices are leading the rollout

My missus ( a nurse) said it has to be GP led, as they are the only ones with YOUR detailed medical notes and histories

Not the Army
Not the Hospital
Not the local Pharmacy
Not the St John's Ambulance


How else would it be done, pray tell?

GP Surgery selects the patients eligible for vaccination, based on age, health profile etc

The GP surgery phoned ME up, to book my Mum in 2 weeks ago and she was selected on age/health for the Pfizer vaccine

THE GP is the only one in the UK, that knows your medical details

I don't deny that GP surgeries have access to folk's information. They could however, simply contact people and then have the vaccination literally done on the spot by another party. Yes, people have to linger around blah blah blah but GP surgeries are hardly 'not busy'- they have far more important things to be doing than handing out a vaccine. Millions of GP appointments happen per year and getting one can be difficult in many regions.

They are recruiting dozens of people to vaccinate folk. They will not be doctors and it is highly unlikely they will be nurses though a nurse or similar will be on hand in case someone does experience an adverse reaction to it. My friend who is a mere healthcare worker like myself, has signed up but is already able to perform venepuncture.
 
Not been following all of this so apologies if has been covered before, a question on effectiveness:
We vaccinate against BVD and Lepto, I have never read the small print but had assumed they were pretty close to 100% effective, why are these human vaccines only 70% effective ? Are the cattle ones actually closer to 70% ?

I doubt many vaccines claim 100% efficacy. Not least because a proportion of the population won't generate a satisfactory immune response to it- that is hardly the fault of the vaccine, however.
 
Never going to happen.Anyone vaccinated will have to be observed for a few minutes afterwards to make sure they dont have a reaction and keel over.There is still loads of red tape to recruit former nurses to join the vaccinating programme,3 years work references etc. My wife is one of them.

3 years of work references is standard NHS sausage machine stuff, there is no huge amount of training required to inject people, my friend has done the training as part of her role.
 

Muck Spreader

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Limousin
I don't believe that is true.

Take a look, you have to provide evidence of the following:-
 

delilah

Member
I doubt many vaccines claim 100% efficacy. Not least because a proportion of the population won't generate a satisfactory immune response to it- that is hardly the fault of the vaccine, however.

Hearing this stuff about varying rates does make me wonder what the claimed figures are for the livestock vaccines, something I haven't thought about before. It would put a different angle on the "should we bother" discussion.
 

jendan

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Northumberland
3 years of work references is standard NHS sausage machine stuff, there is no huge amount of training required to inject people, my friend has done the training as part of her role.
And your point is about references? ........they are still required for professionals returning to work. While any tom,dick,or harry from the street after doing a few hours of training can start jagging people. The first report of a vaccination on one of the news channels was of a vaccination administered in the arm with the needle pointing upwards.My wife winced;" this is what you do if you are drawing blood elsewhere,not vaccinating in the arm".
 

jendan

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Northumberland
Hearing this stuff about varying rates does make me wonder what the claimed figures are for the livestock vaccines, something I haven't thought about before. It would put a different angle on the "should we bother" discussion.
The "P" in pneumonia vaccines for sheep only covers one type.There are 4 types.One of the reasons i went back to using Covexin8,instead of OvivacP.Its an awful lot cheaper.
 

Filthyfarmer

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Hertfordshire
My mrs is a health visitor so uses it all the time, didnt read your link, does it say it doesnt work? Since virgin took over running her service in this area things have got much better, they actually have a laptop now to input info instead of paper based system,

It looks like it works ok but with the usual data share/security issues that goes with big IT systems.
 

neilo

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Montgomeryshire
The "P" in pneumonia vaccines for sheep only covers one type.There are 4 types.One of the reasons i went back to using Covexin8,instead of OvivacP.Its an awful lot cheaper.

Supposedly there is something of a crossover protection against the other serotypes in the P+ vaccines. But yes, my commercial sheep are on Bravoxin now.
 

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