livestock producers- Red Tractor question ?

Henarar · Mar 6, 2021

Sid said:
showing your ignorance about organic standards as usual

This thread is about RT.

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didn't think you would like that one cos those rules work for you don't they hypocritical sid

Tarw Coch · Mar 6, 2021

Sid said:
RT is half arsed.

Of course it’s half arsed, it offers farmers no real premium.
If it offered a proper premium and didn’t seek to be a monopoly, just a premium to make it worthwhile for those who wanted to join it could add whatever rules it liked and let farmers make a choice on what was best for their buisness

Sid · Mar 6, 2021

Clive said:
I recall reading sone where on here or twitter that if livestock spent a certain number of days on a uk farm it could become RT assured ?

is this correct? the RT wikipedia pahe suggests not as does a lot of their advertising and FAQ’s on google etc

can someone explain if / how this all works please ?

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Personally I think RT assured animals should be born on an assured holding.

Milk could come from an animal that isn't born on a RT holding as long as its kept to RT standards for a period before it can be RT.

This to me would be better than worrying about if the workman's accommodation is acceptable condition .

Sid · Mar 6, 2021

Tarw Coch said:
Of course it’s half arsed, it offers farmers no real premium.
If it offered a proper premium and didn’t seek to be a monopoly, just a premium to make it worthwhile for those who wanted to join it could add whatever rules it liked and let farmers make a choice on what was best for their buisness

Perhaps tightening the standards would bring that rather than trying to make everyone RT.
Less is more

Henarar · Mar 6, 2021

Sid said:
Personally I think RT assured animals should be born on an assured holding.

Milk could come from an animal that isn't born on a RT holding as long as its kept to RT standards for a period before it can be RT.

This to me would be better than worrying about if the workman's accommodation is acceptable condition .

Hypocrite

Henarar · Mar 6, 2021

Sid said:
Perhaps tightening the standards would bring that rather than trying to make everyone RT.
Less is more

perhaps stopping organic farmers using non organic straw, tighten the standards
less is more
isn't that right hypocrite sid

digger64 · Mar 6, 2021

Sid said:
Perhaps tightening the standards would bring that rather than trying to make everyone RT.
Less is more

havent you overlooked your cull cows ? - remember you might need to buy in oneday .
so one rule for dairy farmers another for beef farmers and you are which ?

Henarar · Mar 6, 2021

digger64 said:
havent you overlooked your cull cows ? - remember you might need to buy in oneday .
so one rule for dairy farmers another for beef farmers and you are which ?

a hypocrite

Sid · Mar 6, 2021

digger64 said:
havent you overlooked your cull cows ? - remember you might need to buy in oneday .
so one rule for dairy farmers another for beef farmers and you are which ?

I had cows that had spent over 10 years on an fully organic holding for all their lives bar a month.
They went as conventional.
Those are the rules.

tepapa · Mar 6, 2021

Sid said:
I had cows that had spent over 10 years on an fully organic holding for all their lives bar a month.
They went as conventional.
Those are the rules.

But do you agree with that rule?. Those animals spent 99.9% of their 10+ yr lives kept on an organic system the same as the rest of the herd. Shouldn't they be classed just as organic as the rest of the herd or an animal born organic but killed after 3 months

Henarar · Mar 6, 2021

Sid said:
I had cows that had spent over 10 years on an fully organic holding for all their lives bar a month.
They went as conventional.
Those are the rules.

you like rules when they work for you don't you

digger64 · Mar 6, 2021

Sid said:
I had cows that had spent over 10 years on an fully organic holding for all their lives bar a month.
They went as conventional.
Those are the rules.

So what thats organic you volunteered for it ,as far as I understand it no other farmers have tried to deprive you of marketing options or exclude you when you chose to sell those cows through the normal route have they ?

Sid · Mar 6, 2021

digger64 said:
So what thats organic you volunteered for it ,as far as I understand it no other farmers have tried to deprive you of marketing options or exclude you when you chose to sell those cows through the normal route have they ?

Sorry but your point being?

digger64 · Mar 6, 2021

Sid said:
Sorry but your point being?

Have other farmers tried to exclude you from the normal market options .?

Henarar · Mar 6, 2021

digger64 said:
Have other farmers tried to exclude you from the normal market options .?

He objected to payments for conversion to organic because he wanted to keep his marketing options to himself

Sid · Mar 6, 2021

digger64 said:
Have other farmers tried to exclude you from the normal market options .?

Yes through the organic standards as I previously mentioned.

Arlagarden has excluded some farmers
RT has excluded some farmers.

Highland Mule · Mar 6, 2021

Clive said:
can someone explain if / how this all works please ?

Its Wikipedia - anyone can edit it to say whatever they want. It’s probably close to the truth but not exactly that.

If I wanted, I could start a Wikipedia page about “Clive Bailley, the legendary opera singer”, but that wouldn’t make it true.

gone up the hill · Mar 6, 2021

digger64 said:
Have other farmers tried to exclude you from the normal market options .?

@kill

Tarw Coch · Mar 6, 2021

Sid said:
Perhaps tightening the standards would bring that rather than trying to make everyone RT.
Less is more

That doesn’t appear to be the route RT are taking, currently it seems to be all about cornering the market and getting everyone on board but offering very little to the farmers it conscripts.

Sid · Mar 6, 2021

Tarw Coch said:
That doesn’t appear to be the route RT are taking, currently it seems to be all about cornering the market and getting everyone on board but offering very little to the farmers it conscripts.

Well that route doesn't seem very popular!

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