livestock producers- Red Tractor question ?

[Clive]

I recall reading sone where on here or twitter that if livestock spent a certain number of days on a uk farm it could become RT assured ?

is this correct? the RT wikipedia pahe suggests not as does a lot of their advertising and FAQ’s on google etc

can someone explain if / how this all works please ?

 

[Bald n Grumpy]

Think its 90 days or used to be
There was talk of having to have whole life time assurance

 

[milkloss]

We don't want whole life assurance...... would be giving another bat to the smarkets to beat us with.

 

[case44]

90 days on an assured farm then a non assured beef animal becomes farm assured and can be sold with a Red Tractor sticker.

 

[Clive]

Think its 90 days or used to be
There was talk of having to have whole life time assurance

so my Red tractor beef could have been born outside of the uk ?

this seems to directly contradict their marketing and that wiki page i posted above

 

[Nukemall]

For pigs, you are not allowed non assured on the holding at all.

 

[Clive]

90 days on an assured farm then a non assured beef animal becomes farm assured and can be sold with a Red Tractor sticker.

can that none assured farm be outside the uk though ?

 

[milkloss]

so my Red tractor beef could have been born outside of the uk ?

this seems to directly contradict their marketing and that wiki page i posted above

Like I said: Be careful where you're going with this please Clive

 

[Clive]

Like I said: Be careful where you're going with this please Clive

im not suggesting we want it - as you know I would end the entire scheme tomorrow !

im suggesting red tractor are possibly not being honest in their advertising / FAQ’s and wiki page ? if that is provably the case I will report them to the ASA

 

[milkloss]

im not suggesting we want it - as you know I would end the entire scheme tomorrow !

im suggesting red tractor are possibly not being honest in their advertising / FAQ’s and wiki page ?

The biggest issue with their 'honesty' is foreign meat being turned into pies or whatever and being branded British and/or RT On the shelf.

 

[Kevtherev]

Not all as it seems @Clive
Very misleading (tin hat on)

 

[Henarar]

Like I said: Be careful where you're going with this please Clive

Yep most store cattle and lamb producers are quite happy NOT to be press ganged by the RT mafia in to the protection racket.

Having said that our great leader is all for a bit of press ganging.

 

[spin cycle]

so my Red tractor beef could have been born outside of the uk ?

this seems to directly contradict their marketing and that wiki page i posted above

not really cos the store animal would have to be imported live....few ROI i suppose

as been said @Clive please don't drag us in to try win combineable fight.....many of us are on your side despite not having an interest.....fight the arguement on the basis of imports.....crowd fund for legal challenge to aic IMO

 

[Clive]

not really cos the store animal would have to be imported live....few ROI i suppose

RT assured does not have to be born in the uk though ? they suggest it does ?

 

[digger64]

so my Red tractor beef could have been born outside of the uk ?

this seems to directly contradict their marketing and that wiki page i posted above

Do red tractor have any influence/ control over abattoirs or processing ? - would they dare upset them ?
Same with mills etc re. crops I would guess ?

 

[Clive]

The biggest issue with their 'honesty' is foreign meat being turned into pies or whatever and being branded British and/or RT On the shelf.

so how does a pie with imported none RT assured meat content get to use the RT logo ?

where is the loophole here ? simply a RT assured processors who does not need to use RT assured ingredients ?


i guess the flour to make pastry for the pie will likely include none assured flour as assured flour doesn’t really exist !

 

[digger64]

so how does a pie with imported none RT assured meat content get to use the RT logo ?

where is the loophole here ? simply a RT assured processors who does not need to use RT assured ingredients ?

Quite simple chop it up and mix it up then label it . Then source it as best suits you just retaining a portion of uk assurred product to allow you to use the label .
Same with milling wheat or compound feeds etc .
This was really easy before brexit , its how ABP etc manipulated the beef market with no trade barrier,tarriffs ,customs and free movement across borders by having processing plants in different eu countries , in theory the new " deal" still allows this ,in practise its harder .
I think the rise in most farm product prices is due to brexit , except pigs which exported alot of their processing/production capacity to the continent which means the deal has screwed them up .

 

[Full of bull(s)]

RT assured does not have to be born in the uk though ? they suggest it does ?

Yes it does, or it is anyway. No supermarket abattoirs will buy non UK tagged animals as they are classed as dual nationality and can’t be sold as either British or Irish on the packaging. It’s purely a labelling/packaging thing as so few of these animals are presented. Medium size wholesalers who incidentally are the buyers of all the highest value cattle going through live markets aren’t bothered, in fact many of them have been finishing Irish cattle on their own farms, but these buyers aren’t interested in RT and don’t sell the meat as such.

 

[milkloss]

RT assured does not have to be born in the uk though ? they suggest it does ?

From memory I think RT livestock had to be 'available' if not globally certainly Europe as a whole due to competition laws (remember the RT logos with different flags?). The insinuation was that it would be made difficult for them to actually get a RT certification. How, I don't know.

so how does a pie with imported none RT assured meat content get to use the RT logo ?

where is the loophole here ? simply a RT assured processors who does not need to use RT assured ingredients ?


i guess the flour to make pastry for the pie will likely include none assured flour as assured flour doesn’t really exist !

Counter: How did horse meat end up in lasagna? Well basically the processors do what they like behind closed doors. RT didn't jump up and defend its products at the time because.......... they weren't sure that RT meals didn't have horse meat in them and didn't want to get mixed up in the debacle.

The most common lie is something along the lines of New Zealand lamb in a pie being labelled as British.

 

[deleted user 837354]

How did horsemeat end up in lasagne?

Simple, huge amounts of beef mince are bought and traded en masse- in huge batches. Throw in the international supply of beef mince and there is no surprise some unscrupulous folk somewhere in Europe are putting horse meat in it, calling it beef and pocketing the added value.