Nearly
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- Location
- North of York
It turns us all into liars and then criminals. 
Do we fit outwintered cattle with nappies?
Do we fit outwintered cattle with nappies?
Autumn manure banned
- Thread starter l'ordinary bonville
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- Location
- Newcastle upon Tyne
Yet at the same time they are encouraging you to increase Organic Matter!! Bonkers!!!
- Location
- Bedfordshire
Says the man with no livestock.
“if” its causing pollution i don’t care what you have - its not justification
there is no justification to pollute anything if it can be avoided
i would campaign for 100% grants to build extra storage rather than campaign to continue to pollute!
And yet the EA turn a blind eye to microplastics in waste from sewage treatment.That really is a national disgrace....there is no certainty they will ever break down!!!!
- Location
- Bedfordshire
BTW I agree with you, but others might not. I don't think you have to face the problems that some livestock producers do.
i know it would cause a big problem for many (even myself actually as we use FYM / sludge etc).
BUT we can never justify pollution if alternative solutions are available
i think ELMS. will encourage a lot more spring cropping which would help and capital grants for extra storage maybe available
- Location
- Bedfordshire
What might be better for water could well be worse for air.
Our soils will not sensibly cultivate in the spring without loosing all the moisture and overwinter tilth. Other than plant a cover crop following FYM incorporation and having no income on that land I'm not sure what we would do. We could give up the pigs and my desire for OM, and just get it all from a bag as we used to do.
I hope the water companies are onto this, it could cause some huge issues. I know the NFU have already made representations.
Our soils will not sensibly cultivate in the spring without loosing all the moisture and overwinter tilth. Other than plant a cover crop following FYM incorporation and having no income on that land I'm not sure what we would do. We could give up the pigs and my desire for OM, and just get it all from a bag as we used to do.
I hope the water companies are onto this, it could cause some huge issues. I know the NFU have already made representations.
pgilliat
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Presumably it would still have to be incorporated for nvz rules so effectively kills it dead on all but rank sand drilled in spring.
Would be impossible to make some of this up, increase organic matter we are told, reduce use of artificial fertilser etc. Agriculture is all but dead in the uk.
Would be impossible to make some of this up, increase organic matter we are told, reduce use of artificial fertilser etc. Agriculture is all but dead in the uk.
Mixedupfarmer
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- Location
- Norfolk
Bung some stubble turnips in after harvest or OSR, plaster with muck to RB209 limits, flea beetle eats crop, plough in?
l'ordinary bonville
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- Location
- N Yorks
My thoughts
Every acre goes into rape in the autumn. Gets muck or slurry
The the rape crop “fails” and we plant cereals
l'ordinary bonville
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- Location
- N Yorks
Autumn appliedfym or slurry is not pollution if you do it normally or properly
However our friends at AHDB/rb209 have deemed it unnecessary therefore illegal
There will end up being more pollution caused in trying to store over winter and then spread in the spring.
- Location
- Lincolnshire
I'd heard similar.
Sewage sludge exempt of course.
Sewage sludge exempt of course.
- Location
- Lincolnshire
It's just a complete battle between competing jobsworths.
- Location
- Lincolnshire
I expect we will be fine to dribble bar digestate in spring or put solid on between grass cuts.
l'ordinary bonville
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- Location
- N Yorks
I wonder what will happen to all the digestate produced between July and January that was once applied right through the autumn
- Location
- S.E
Just because you have seen a fbook post with one numpty does not mean we are all polluters for goodness sake! We have been putting sewage sludge on in the Autumn for years and never have I ever felt that we were causing pollution. If anything the N in the sludge gets the crop much better established going into winter helping with any potential soil erosion/water logging/nutrient leaching..etc
Here in the east on heavy soils applying sewage sludge in the spring and incorporating is pretty much a non starter
Might have to start 'growing osr' again
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- Location
- Lincolnshire
Will have to have more storage. I'll build a lagoon but what's to say they won't ban those? In reality, just everything will be banned.
Funnily enough, we were having this same discussion with the agronomist this morning.
As above, banning incorporated autumn applications in order to reduce potential leaching risks ammonia losses from top dressing manures in the spring instead.
New Farming Rules for Water
New rules will be introduced which will save farmers money whilst also better protecting the water environment.
Farming Rules for Water - Tried and Tested
On April 2nd 2018, the Farming Rules for Water (otherwise know as the Reduction and Prevention of Agricultural Diffuse Pollution (Eng) Regulations 2018) came into force.
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