Will you keep wearing a mask when you don't have to?

Highland Mule · May 27, 2021

essex man said:
Who can blame them the message is, if you're infected the mask will stop transmission.

I missed that message - was that one from NHS England only? Certainly didn't see it up here.

Otherwise, nothing you've written contradicts the assertion that properly worn face coverings/ masks can help reduce virus transmission.

essex man · May 27, 2021

Highland Mule said:
I missed that message - was that one from NHS England only? Certainly didn't see it up here.

Otherwise, nothing you've written contradicts the assertion that properly worn face coverings/ masks can help reduce virus transmission.

You just said it!!!!!

Highland Mule · May 27, 2021

essex man said:
You just said it!!!!!

No, I didn't. I wrote that they provide a degree of mitigation, which is something very different.

essex man · May 27, 2021

Highland Mule said:
I missed that message - was that one from NHS England only? Certainly didn't see it up here.

Otherwise, nothing you've written contradicts the assertion that properly worn face coverings/ masks can help reduce virus transmission.

It does actually.... Who is more likely to spread the virus, a symtomatic person in a mask in Tesco or symptomatic person self isolating at home?

Highland Mule · May 27, 2021

essex man said:
It does actually.... Who is more likely to spread the virus, a symtomatic person in a mask in Tesco or symptomatic person self isolating at home?

Masks have never been suggested as an alternative to isolation, so that question is irrelevant.

essex man · May 27, 2021

Highland Mule said:
No, I didn't. I wrote that they provide a degree of mitigation, which is something very different.

Ok, "helps stop"

essex man · May 27, 2021

Highland Mule said:
Masks have never been suggested as an alternative to isolation, so that question is irrelevant.

It's how they work in practice

essex man · May 27, 2021

So is about as relevant as it gets

essex man · May 27, 2021

It's why they were called counter productive by the CMO at the start

Highland Mule · May 27, 2021

essex man said:
Ok, "helps stop"

I think you need to look up the word mitigate in your dictionary!

essex man · May 27, 2021

Highland Mule said:
I think you need to look up the word mitigate in your dictionary!

Alright..mitigate

essex man · May 27, 2021

Highland Mule said:
I think you need to look up the word mitigate in your dictionary!

Maybe look up pedant

Highland Mule · May 27, 2021

essex man said:
Maybe look up pedant

From that, I'm guessing you didn't look up mitigate.

essex man · May 27, 2021

The point is the same, as you know, just trying to distract from your lack of counterpoint with pedantry, I understand that

essex man · May 27, 2021

Please try and understand.. it's not what they do, it's the message and what people believe that is important.

It's not what you think people do with masks or what they could do, it's what they actually do.

And the changes in behaviour they encourage.

Let me know when you get there

bobk · May 27, 2021

essex man said:
Please try and understand.. it's not what they do, it's the message and what people believe that is important.

It's not what you think people do with masks or what they could do, it's what they actually do.

And the changes in behaviour they encourage.

Let me know when you get there

Will wearing a mask in a corn bin result in less inhalation of dust or more ?

Highland Mule · May 27, 2021

essex man said:
Please try and understand.. it's not what they do, it's the message and what people believe that is important.

It's not what you think people do with masks or what they could do, it's what they actually do.

And the changes in behaviour they encourage.

Let me know when you get there

I understand that perfectly. A properly worn mask is a positive thing, but a badly worn one can have some detriment. The government also understands that, but also has some far more competent psychologists, risk analysts and virologists on their books than this forum does. These people met and assessed all the factors and concluded that masks had a positive effect on balance, even with idiots who didn’t wear them properly.

I’ve had dinner with a former chief scientific officer, I understand the precautionary principle and how these guys work and frankly I respect a decision they make as being far more sensible than a farmer from Essex or anywhere else.

Nothing of the downsides you come up with is news to those that make the decisions, and yet on balance they have collectively advised the opposite - with far more data available than you have. Let me know when you get there.

Muck Spreader · May 27, 2021

Highland Mule said:
They haven’t, and the studies are very clear on that. They don’t provide absolute protection (what does?), but worn and handled properly they do give a level of mitigation for person/person transmission by capturing of droplets from infected wearers.

An FFP3 mask will give pretty much 100% protection to the user if trained properly and even an FFP2 is pretty good.

Highland Mule · May 27, 2021

Muck Spreader said:
An FFP3 mask will give pretty much 100% protection to the user if trained properly and even an FFP2 is pretty good.

And both are overkill when you just need to nudge the R number from 3.x to <1. But as others have written the weakness isn’t the actual mask but the way it’s worn.

essex man · May 27, 2021

Highland Mule said:
I understand that perfectly. A properly worn mask is a positive thing, but a badly worn one can have some detriment. The government also understands that, but also has some far more competent psychologists, risk analysts and virologists on their books than this forum does. These people met and assessed all the factors and concluded that masks had a positive effect on balance, even with idiots who didn’t wear them properly.

I’ve had dinner with a former chief scientific officer, I understand the precautionary principle and how these guys work and frankly I respect a decision they make as being far more sensible than a farmer from Essex or anywhere else.

Nothing of the downsides you come up with is news to those that make the decisions, and yet on balance they have collectively advised the opposite - with far more data available than you have. Let me know when you get there.

When you understand that advice follows policy not the other way round, you realise the need to think for yourself.

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