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That’s what all PM’s do! It’s not the preserve of Bojo!
North Shropshire Big Liberal Win
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The depressing thing is, if Corbyn surprisingly had won the election the situation would probably be just the same, perhaps without the massive corruption levels I suppose.
Corbyn was already scraping the barrel with shadow cabinet ministers, after several episodes of mass resignations iirc.
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So you and several others are saying that boris and the tories are ignoring the reasons for the result and thus being disrespectful of the electorate .
Yet you have been bitching about brexit for years and many remoaners have called leave voters, old thick and racist, the hypocrisy has reached new levels.
Lots of politicians are useless selfserving and incompetent just as are lots of other people in many jobs but it seems it only matters when their not doing what you want them to do.
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Wow. That’s a long paragraph to unpack
If I’m at fault personally for being consistent in my objection to Brexit rather than remain and reform I would accept that. I would note I’ve been consistent also in accepting the vote of 2016. You can’t fault me for querying why things are not progressing or rolling out as promised . Eustice, Gove and Johnson all promised support for UK ag post Brexit and then voted against the Parrish Amendment
The most recent memes I’ve posted are the Telegraph’s Matt - hardly a bastion of left wing skullduggery
I’ll debate all day long . I do recall folks talking of calling for me to be sacked and not buying from me because of my stance . Interesting
If you accept the vote, which plenty claim they do yet we have seen lots of politicians and even a whole party try to undermine the vote, that has hardly helped our negotiators, not that excuses them for NI imv, we need to pull together and man up and get on with it, some say they are embarrassed by the UK as they claim it's become a laughing stock, I'm embarrassed that we seem to have lost that british trait of muddling through problems with a shrug and determination and become a country full of spoilt wingers who want everything easy and expect others to sort their problems out, maybe it's the internet that has brought this to the fore or perhaps it's only a small percentage of moaners in reality but make a big noise, empty vessels come to mind.
Exfarmer
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Of course we should censor free speech, it is utterly disgraceful that people like @JP1 come on here and spout their left wing remainer rubbish, Heil Hitler!
pgk
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Have you not seen Peter Stefanovic' video of Boris' lies to Parliament, well over 40 million views but not hit the MSM.
It's nearly 6 years since we voted to leave and still the moaning continues, while I fully support free speech there comes a time to stop picking at a sore and move on, it's a bit like an ex spouse that never gets over the split, they are the ones that spoil their own lives. There have been people who suggest we need to have a test before people can vote and it's not the centre right or right wing that's suggesting that
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We had to put up with 30yrs of Farage and his UKIP lackeys undermining the country. But since Brexit has damaged or destroyed so many peoples futures, don't expect attitudes to change anytime soon.
Really Farage & UKIP for thirty years undermining this country or simply telling the truth as they saw it, I think it's a little too simplistic to say simply Brexit has destroyed peoples futures, there still seems an awful lot of people prepared to risk their own lives to reach this country rather than stay where they currently are for some reason, it's politicians that ruin peoples lives not a country taking back some semblance of control of it's own destiny, of course this damm Chinese export hasn't helped any country in the world either.
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The other politicians (presumably you mean the Opposition), what do you expect them to be doing? They have no influence if Johnson has a majority of 80 and none of them would have been in the room with Barnier / Davis-Frost ?
I don't think the British as a Nation are a laughing stock. We still do well in science, innovation, a fair sense of play, doing our bit and more for international aid and security, fabulous heritage and landscape
I agree Society expects the Gov to do everything for them
I am a realist , the vote is done for Brexit. You can't fault me when I point out the lies and the u-turns that Johnson and his crew have undertaken during their dire handling of Brexit. Even more depressing is the Brexmoaners who keep chipping in this isn't the Brexit they voted for even if they can't take one clean sheet of A4 and a pencil and coherently state what they thought they were voting for
It's no good saying all we voted for was a Sovereign building plot, it's kind of collateral damage we knocked your existing house down and we've no clue how or when or what the new house will look like but our new international collaborators say the architects plans look really nice and we can't wait to have a peak at them ourselves
Exfarmer
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And I don’t think it was the right wing who gave the vote to the great unwashed either
Exfarmer
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And another point, what should we do about the voters of North Shropshire, that county which had some of the strongest Brexit sentiment? Should we send them back to the polls again for voting en masse for a candidate representing a staunchly remain party?
Shum mistake shorley!
No we should congratulate them for reminding the government in particular and politicians in general that they ignore voters at their peril and should abide by the instructions giving to them to carry out the agenda the voters supported. It's not the first time voters have given a sitting government a kicking nor one to a party who ignored a previous vote hence why the libs and labour got a kicking at the last election
Of course when the EU didnt like Irish voters opinion they were told to vote again and get it right, old @Ashtree duly obliged
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Yes of course it's better to get things right, but many things can only be declared right or wrong after a long time,It’s good to get things right though
Sure as hell beats getting it wrong
" peace in our time" was hailed great but after 39 was seen as wrong but some say it was a delaying tactic to allow Britain to start to re arm.
Many said us dropping out of the ERM was a disaster but turned out to be the opposite.
Brexit will be judged a success or failure in many years time and for different reasons by different people.
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That’s a funny example. I have many relatives (through marriage) who NEVER thought it was “great”
Btw, I don’t think anyone thought it was a plan to give time to Re arm, even Boris wouldn’t be that stupid, due you have any idea just how many arms the Germans captured from Czechoslovakia? It’s not the Isle of Man you know!
Exfarmer
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I would agree except the could have voted labour which certainly gave a very half hearted support for remain and has not stood in the way at all in the current Brexit votes. Note there policy is not to stand in the way of the referendum result.
They could even have voted for UKIP or Reclaim
But no the voters deliberately chose a party still staunchly pro Europe
Tory voters do not vote Labour simply to give them a boost, they vote Liberal because they know it will make no difference whatever but will still give the Tories a good kick up the back side!