Fool me once shame on you
fool me twice shame on me
fool me twice shame on me
Getting paid for straw ?
- Thread starter Clive
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- Location
- Scottish Highlands
- Location
- Cumbria
I’m guessing the type of person who doesn’t feel the need to quash their insecurities seeking likes on an Internet forum or ‘retweets’ on Twitter.
in all seriousness, I am really surprised that Clive, given the persona he portrays (I.e a successful farmer and business man) hasn’t taken more due diligence with a new customer. When I was a Director of a small company, if I had hired a contractor without doing PQQ’s, or agreed to undertake work without getting at least one credit reference and trade reference (I have been asked to ask for two sets of accounts off some before now) then I would have been for the high jump. Not saying it solves everything, but if this chap had done it to Clive twice he will have done it to others.
To be honest, I have no sympathy if Clive hasn’t done due diligence, and to come on here and slag Livestock men off, when it seems to me it’s his own ineptitude (am happy to be corrected) is a bit churlish and petulant, in my experience those seeking to blame others usually know they have made a mistake, spending a day with a toddler is a good lesson in basic human behaviour.
He said straw buyer I don’t think he’s slagging off livestock farmers.
always here far more stories of non payments, going bust, agreements broken more with straw than anything else.
But agree we only do straw with a couple of people we trust it’s not a game I would want to play with. The straw selling groups on Facebook are pretty horrendous!
We don’t do much though as there’s too much risk vs reward for us in the east. Only really do it for an agronomic reason.
- Location
- Cumbria
First post pretty much vicariously implicated Livestock farmers, as did you saying they ‘plead poverty’. But perhaps being a Livestock farmer I am being overly sensitive…
Unfortunately in all walks of life there are people that are not for boys to play with. A bit of due diligence can help to sniff them out. Sadly for Clive thats a bit like shutting the door after the horse had bolted.
serf
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- warwickshire
I nominate Hilly as TFF s diplomatic corespondent
I’ve very consciously not named anyone and although i have a current issue the title of this thread is more general in that “why is it only straw buyers i have ever had debt issues with? “
I’ve dragged some to small claims court in the past, it’s ALWAYS straw though !
from replies it does seem I’m not alone in this !
no - i’ve said several times its a contractor / merchant buyer
i’m often asked by livestock farmers why we are so keen to chop straw and my first post explained this was the reason maybe
2wheels
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- aberdeenshire
This thread has certainly boosted the forum posts. A clever move Clive 
Unless I have missed it I am surprised @gone up the hill hasn’t posted a comment on this thread 
I will get my
I will get my
Youv not named anyone but it really didn’t take any effort too figure out who the contractor/merchant is
- Location
- Scottish Highlands
Youv not named anyone but it really didn’t take any effort too figure out who the contractor/merchant is
Decided that I would try, so stuck “Clive Bailye Twitter straw” into google. Amusingly, this was the third result:
The one above that was a tweet from @Clive in April 2018 which started “Sometimes farmers need protecting from themselves”.
No comment.
Jam Tomorrow
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- Location
- Hardy Country
Man the barricades Clive , pitchforks and burning torches heading towards Bailye Towers
yep - i should learn / take my own advice shouldn’t I !
won’t happen again, will sell at auction to the highest bidder where i believe buyers have to pay up front ?
always straw though isn’t it ? nothing else we do or sell ever involves chasing payment for months
Youv not named anyone but it really didn’t take any effort too figure out who the contractor/merchant is
if people want to protect reputation they should pay their bills on time - simple really isn’t it
This thread has certainly boosted the forum posts. A clever move Clive
amazed frankly how many seem to think paying your bills 5 months late is in anyway acceptable
- Location
- Scottish Highlands
Well that’s not true. Maybe it’s straw for you, but plenty arable farmers seem to have longer pockets than arms too.
Back to your problem though - have you initiated legal action yet or are you just whinging?
I think your reputation is taking more of a battering here than the unnamed merchant.
hand on heart its true here - the only things i have ever had to chase long overdue payment on in 25yrs of being in business is straw and on one occasion some entitlements sold to a TFF member who decided he didn’t need to pay (small claims court decided he did !)