Concerned about Red Tractor collapse.

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Drillman

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Mixed Farmer
To be honest this whole record keeping thing, I know we’re supposed to keep them but having never read any of the shiny handbooks that have been sent to me I’m not sure when we are supposed to record such things as grain bucket cleaning, teeth brushing and the last time I had a dump.

if Anyone has bothered to read and digest the contents of the book please could you let me know what the exact procedure is?

i would go have a look but sadly back in lockdown we had a bog paper shortage…….
 
Grass And Grain

Grass And Grain

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Yorks
JCfarmer said:
I use black and blue randemly after sprinting to the house and the Mrs writes down when shes mopped the floor(usually in red ) after I have forgotten to take my boots off in the rush!
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Make sure Mrs JCFarmer writes down the floor mopping time and date correctly. You don't need to check the jobs been done thoroughly, but just check it's written down.
 
Grass And Grain

Grass And Grain

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Yorks
Drillman said:
To be honest this whole record keeping thing, I know we’re supposed to keep them but having never read any of the shiny handbooks that have been sent to me I’m not sure when we are supposed to record such things as grain bucket cleaning, teeth brushing and the last time I had a dump.

if Anyone has bothered to read and digest the contents of the book please could you let me know what the exact procedure is?

i would go have a look but sadly back in lockdown we had a bog paper shortage…….
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Why can't the inspector simply look for themselves to see the grain handling equipment is fit for purpose.
 
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Drillman

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Mixed Farmer
Grass And Grain said:
Make sure Mrs JCFarmer writes down the floor mopping time and date correctly. You don't need to check the jobs been done thoroughly, but just check it's written down.
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Make sure Mrs JC farmer also makes a record of how warm the water was and if a cleaning product was used it’s best to note the product name, chemical name(s) dose rate which shop you bought it from and wether you paid for it using cash, gold coins,plastic rectangle or magic beans

oh and if you did happen to use magic beans, make bloody sure you used farm assured ones or you be in a whole world of sh!t….
 
Grass And Grain

Grass And Grain

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Yorks
Drillman said:
Make sure Mrs JC farmer also makes a record of how warm the water was and if a cleaning product was used it’s best to note the type dose rate which shop you bought it from and wether you paid for it using cash, gold coins,plastic rectangle or magic beans
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Check it's on the DEFRA list, and make sure you've got a purchase receipt.

You might be able to show Mr Inspector your can of cleaning disinfectant, but if you haven't got a receipt, then he won't believe it's a real can of disinfectant or that it exists.

Same when you clean anything. The grain bucket can be sparkly clean, but if it's not written down that it's sparkly clean, then he won't be able to verify that it is sparkly clean as it wasn't written down.
 
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Drillman

Member
Mixed Farmer
Grass And Grain said:
Check it's on the DEFRA list, and make sure you've got a purchase receipt.

You might be able to show Mr Inspector your can of cleaning disinfectant, but if you haven't got a receipt, then he won't believe it's a real can of disinfectant or that it exists.

Same when you clean anything. The grain bucket can be sparkly clean, but if it's not written down that it's sparkly clean, then he won't be able to verify that it is sparkly clean as it wasn't written down.
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I suppose turning a negative into a positive, writing in a book that your grain bucket is sparkly clean is much quicker cheaper and at this time of year warmer than going out and buying a steam cleaner and getting cold wet an dirty making the bucket sparkly clean.

could save our selves a lot of time money and effort by letting the farm go to rack and ruin and just sit in the office writing down what we should be doing!

And as the records are more important than the job in hand….
 
tullah

tullah

Member
Location
Linconshire
That's a real post from you. How true.
Goes to show an hour in the office is worth ten sweating away keeping the farm all up together.
When will these fools just go home and claim benefits instead of waisting our time and theirs.
They ought to know by now that the more petty they become then the sooner they will be out on their own having to fend for themselves.
 
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GOODYSMATE

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Location
suffolk
Drillman said:
To be honest this whole record keeping thing, I know we’re supposed to keep them but having never read any of the shiny handbooks that have been sent to me I’m not sure when we are supposed to record such things as grain bucket cleaning, teeth brushing and the last time I had a dump.

if Anyone has bothered to read and digest the contents of the book please could you let me know what the exact procedure is?

i would go have a look but sadly back in lockdown we had a bog paper shortage…….
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I would recommend brushing your teeth before having a dump :ROFLMAO: :poop:
 
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thorpe

Member
Grass And Grain said:
I guess they are shipping in non-assured grain, so understand the hypocrisy, and therefore no need for RT.

Us farmers have been taken for a ride. Forced to pay up to be in RT, whilst the whole industry has been readily purchasing imports with no similar stamp of approval. Nothing wrong with the imported grain, we've just had £20 million a year extracted from our UK Ag profits.
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£20 million ship i bet there bank balance looks better than ours!
 
Humble Village Farmer

Humble Village Farmer

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Location
Essex
Drillman said:
Ah now I’ve got a good idea

we have CCTV on the farm both in the yard and for calving.

I could sit the inspector down with a monitor and a years worth of recordings and leave them to it.

can’t think of a better more comprehensive method👍
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They will keep giving us extra, pointless things to do, just so long as we do it for nothing.

That's the whole point of what's wrong with it.
 
slackjawedyokel

slackjawedyokel

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Northumberland
On the H&S subject, we had a particular inspector several times. Her and her husband had a farm but her husband died in a farm accident, doing something that a basic in-head risk assessment should have ruled out.

Presuming she’s still inspecting, it’s not going to be much fun for her laying down the law on health and safety.
 
Grass And Grain

Grass And Grain

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Mixed Farmer
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Yorks
Fiveospades said:
My dear wife has had a lightbulb moment (Rare). Why don't you do self assessment like people do their tax? she asked.
So there we are all sorted!.
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RT do actually allow a self declaration for farm to farm grain trade to beef, lamb and dairy RT livestock farms. But not to pig/poultry. Why? Volume?

Why not farm to mill to RT livestock farm? Volume!!!
 
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Razzmatazz

Member
Had a gestapo inspection on 3/2/22, which was expected. The inspector just rang up to fix the audit date, no coresspondence arrived from RT informing the date. He spent 30 minutes outside and 2 hours indoors checking records and passing time (and wasting my time) until his next appointment, his timing was perfect. There were no non-conformances until he got ready to leave when he asked to see the H&S policy. He was delighted to find that there wasn't one in place and immediately got his report out to tick box the non-conformance, even though he knew there were no employees here just a one man band! A week later RT informed me that a farm audit was to be carried out in 8 weeks!! Too many jobsworth who can't get things right. Today received a cheeky letter that corrective evidence for the non-conformances was required and to give the matter urgent attention or my membership would be suspended. I've got 28 days I shall comply on the last day!!! What a load of bol...ks and waste of time.
 

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