Deutz Fahr TTV 430 Problem Help Please

hintonroadhero · May 19, 2022

ajc606 said:
An Update

Hello everyone thanks for all your help
I got Power Farming Hb down to look at tractor after two days of looking testing here on farm
I took tractor up to their work shop tractor now with cab off wheels off and in half
The work clutch is totally f**ked all materials gone from plates a plates some plates buckled and a O ring was broken.
They trying to say That I been using the clutch which is totally not the case
I believe that the O ring was ether damaged in assembly or weak and broke letting the oil pressure off the clutch plates resulting in the damage and the tractor running away. Seriously you can’t normally f**k a clutch that much in 1900hrs ?
Result is they wanting $23,000 +GST to get back together

So I hope anyone looking at buying a Deutz should not !!touch a f**kn Deutz even with a barge pole because they green in colour like what is laying in patches in the fields
Cheers to everyone hope you having a great day Allan

So you've run it for 10 years and have done 1900 hours?.. had a man in a van look at it and not get to the root of the problem.. then get the authorised dealer to get to the problem.. and got the sh1!s because its a big bill to fix.. they suggest that you've been riding the clutch.. which believe me is a huge problem with semi-power-shift and vario tractors in NZ.. as in reality they are only an inching pedal... you have decided that its a poorly fitted or "weak" o ring?... if you and your man in the van know so much about these transmissions, why didn't you diagnose and fix it yourselves?... your statements will do you no favours and at best are plain silly.......SDF build around 30,000 tractors a year and have done forever...they cant all be Cow sh*t as you suggest?

ajc606 · May 20, 2022

hintonroadhero said:
So you've run it for 10 years and have done 1900 hours?.. had a man in a van look at it and not get to the root of the problem.. then get the authorised dealer to get to the problem.. and got the sh1!s because its a big bill to fix.. they suggest that you've been riding the clutch.. which believe me is a huge problem with semi-power-shift and vario tractors in NZ.. as in reality they are only an inching pedal... you have decided that its a poorly fitted or "weak" o ring?... if you and your man in the van know so much about these transmissions, why didn't you diagnose and fix it yourselves?... your statements will do you no favours and at best are plain silly.......SDF build around 30,000 tractors a year and have done forever...they cant all be Cow sh*t as you suggest?

ajc606 · May 20, 2022

Well the man in a van as you put it
worked for and with the Same outfit before this expert company as you put it came in area and undercut them and squeezed them out
So my man in the van is and has been the key person with the most sense in diagnosis the problem in the first instance so I take exception that you would criticise him.
Age of tractor has nothing to do anything!
It is the work tractor has done as in hours and type of work which has been light work! not heavy contracting work.
This expert company as would put
Do you think it is acceptable to leave a roll pin rolling around in bottom of transmission when the pto stopped working because this said pin had come out on inside of tractor. which it should never ever been able to do and your expert company ripped the back of tractor to fix but did even bother to try and find the pin.
It took my man in a van !!

Have a nice day enjoy driving your tractor you maybe one of the lucky ones I do believe there are a few
Cheers

ajc606 · May 20, 2022

Hello hintonroadhero
Are you from Deutz head office Morrinville?
Thanks

ajc606 · May 20, 2022

hintonroadhero said:
So you've run it for 10 years and have done 1900 hours?.. had a man in a van look at it and not get to the root of the problem.. then get the authorised dealer to get to the problem.. and got the sh1!s because its a big bill to fix.. they suggest that you've been riding the clutch.. which believe me is a huge problem with semi-power-shift and vario tractors in NZ.. as in reality they are only an inching pedal... you have decided that its a poorly fitted or "weak" o ring?... if you and your man in the van know so much about these transmissions, why didn't you diagnose and fix it yourselves?... your statements will do you no favours and at best are plain silly.......SDF build around 30,000 tractors a year and have done forever...they cant all be Cow sh*t as you suggest?

Hello are you from Deutz head office Morrinsville Thanks

ajc606 · May 20, 2022

ajc606 said:
Hello are you from Deutz head office Morrinsville Thanks

Yes 30000built a year over a 100years I was told by salesman 10-12years ago
That why I would have expected a little better for this tractor

ajc606 · May 20, 2022

box said:
I recommend you have a quick chat with the Power Farming Morrinsville workshop, they'll likely have a lot more experience with the TTV than your local branch.

Yes I will try to get the impression that they don’t want me to though

ajc606 · May 20, 2022

ajc606 said:
Yes 30000built a year over a 100years I was told by salesman 10-12years ago
That why I would have expected a little better for this tractor

Also my van man was keen to fix however it was totally my decision to take to your experts as I believed they may have been privy to inside house information on this transmission and faults
As in the other transmissions that packed up early with low hours

ajc606 said:
Hello are you from Deutz head office Morrinsville Thanks

If you are from Deutz I totally happy for you to come and look at clutches and O ring and see O ring sort of flatten and broken and discuss all the problems I have had in these few hours for your opinion

daveydiesel1 · May 20, 2022

ajc606 said:
Also my van man was keen to fix however it was totally my decision to take to your experts as I believed they may have been privy to inside house information on this transmission and faults
As in the other transmissions that packed up early with low hours

If you are from Deutz I totally happy for you to come and look at clutches and O ring and see O ring sort of flatten and broken and discuss all the problems I have had in these few hours for your opinion

How could an o ring and a few clutch plates demand a bill like that? Thats just way too much

DrDunc · May 20, 2022

If you like the tractor, fix it and keep

If you'd prefer something more shiny to do less than 200 hours a year, change the tractor

If you can't afford to do either, consider if there's another hobby you'd prefer to be doing

Life is too short to get upset when a ten year old machine has a failure that needs paid for

hintonroadhero · May 20, 2022

ajc606 said:
Hello hintonroadhero
Are you from Deutz head office Morrinville?
Thanks

Sorry afraid not

hintonroadhero · May 20, 2022

ajc606 said:
Also my van man was keen to fix however it was totally my decision to take to your experts as I believed they may have been privy to inside house information on this transmission and faults
As in the other transmissions that packed up early with low hours

If you are from Deutz I totally happy for you to come and look at clutches and O ring and see O ring sort of flatten and broken and discuss all the problems I have had in these few hours for your opinion

No I don't work for Power Farming Wholesale

hintonroadhero · May 20, 2022

ajc606 said:
Yes 30000built a year over a 100years I was told by salesman 10-12years ago
That why I would have expected a little better for this tractor

Unfortunately the salesman you spoke with 10 or 12 years ago was speaking through his backside....SDF Group has factories in Italy, Germany, Turkey India and China.. as I Said they build around 30,000 tractors a year.....suggest you do a little more research and listen to people who know what they're talking about

hintonroadhero · May 20, 2022

ajc606 said:
Well the man in a van as you put it
worked for and with the Same outfit before this expert company as you put it came in area and undercut them and squeezed them out
So my man in the van is and has been the key person with the most sense in diagnosis the problem in the first instance so I take exception that you would criticise him.
Age of tractor has nothing to do anything!
It is the work tractor has done as in hours and type of work which has been light work! not heavy contracting work.
This expert company as would put
Do you think it is acceptable to leave a roll pin rolling around in bottom of transmission when the pto stopped working because this said pin had come out on inside of tractor. which it should never ever been able to do and your expert company ripped the back of tractor to fix but did even bother to try and find the pin.
It took my man in a van !!

Have a nice day enjoy driving your tractor you maybe one of the lucky ones I do believe there are a few
Cheers

So you don't go away misinformed....SAME tractors before Power Farming were distributed by Dan Cosgrove, while Deutz were distributed by Landpower -until they shifted to Claas and the franchise became available. Claiming that your man in the van had experience of a product that is ten years old and which was only brought as two examples of the model to NZ is quite frankly a little bit of a silly statement. Does he have the latest SDF diagnostic equipment? If he is the one who correctly diagnosed the problem, why didn't you get him to repair the tractor.. after all its only an o ring and some clutch plates? Why do you think age has nothing to do with a tractor?.....the adjuster on the drop arm of my 1959 old grey fergie has just failed, doesn't do very many hours, but I don't expect AGCO to fix it!!! Why don't you go back and ask the dealer that sold you tractor to fix it, because you say that they were good buggers until they were undercut and squeezed out?.... In the real world, brands change importers and businesses change brands all the time........expecting a dealer to fix something after 10 years is a pipe dream, but just think how lucky you've been, considering that in your expert opinion an o ring was badly fitted, but managed to last 10 years!!!

ajc606 · May 20, 2022

daveydiesel1 said:
How could an o ring and a few clutch plates demand a bill like that? Thats just way too much

So much labour had to take wheels off take complete cab off and loader frames off just to split tractor in half to get to transmission
Oh but duetz been building tractor s for 100 years and 30000 tractor a year !! So why make it easy and cost effective for the owner’s

hintonroadhero · May 20, 2022

ajc606 said:
So much labour had to take wheels off take complete cab off and loader frames off just to split tractor in half to get to transmission
Oh but duetz been building tractor s for 100 years and 30000 tractor a year !! So why make it easy and cost effective for the owner’s

Yup.. unfortunately the sophistication of modern tractors makes tem harder to work on than grey fergies.. think a lot of brands will be exactly the same

KB6930 · May 20, 2022

ajc606 said:
So much labour had to take wheels off take complete cab off and loader frames off just to split tractor in half to get to transmission
Oh but duetz been building tractor s for 100 years and 30000 tractor a year !! So why make it easy and cost effective for the owner’s

Your obviously hacked off by what's happened but in all honesty that'll be about right to fix if I work it back to uk money I wouldn't expect any less .

I've seen tractors in local dealers in as many pieces to fit a 50p circlip into a gearbox it's just the way it is now not much easy to fix

ajc606 · May 20, 2022

hintonroadhero said:
So you don't go away misinformed....SAME tractors before Power Farming were distributed by Dan Cosgrove, while Deutz were distributed by Landpower -until they shifted to Claas and the franchise became available. Claiming that your man in the van had experience of a product that is ten years old and which was only brought as two examples of the model to NZ is quite frankly a little bit of a silly statement. Does he have the latest SDF diagnostic equipment? If he is the one who correctly diagnosed the problem, why didn't you get him to repair the tractor.. after all its only an o ring and some clutch plates? Why do you think age has nothing to do with a tractor?.....the adjuster on the drop arm of my 1959 old grey fergie has just failed, doesn't do very many hours, but I don't expect AGCO to fix it!!! Why don't you go back and ask the dealer that sold you tractor to fix it, because you say that they were good buggers until they were undercut and squeezed out?.... In the real world, brands change importers and businesses change brands all the time........expecting a dealer to fix something after 10 years is a pipe dream, but just think how lucky you've been, considering that in your expert opinion an o ring was badly fitted, but managed to last 10 years!!!

Sorry you have lost me with what you on a about Ferguson
My tractor is with company I brought it new from power farming
And they have done all the servicing on time and with correct Deutz fahr products except for maybe one service when I got so sick of the price gouging!!!!!!!!! And problems
I then got my man in van who had experience in these tractors and the tools who has proved his worth!!
I believe Deutz know this problem and are trying to hide it away!!
That why they being secretive and reluctant to give me contact numbers to higher people.
And furthermore if I had done hot hours and run up 2000hr they would be fixing this under warranty !!
As new warranty was for 2000hr
Also you saying your expert company !!
mechanic's have told me that they have never had one of these tractors this model apart so they where keen to rip apart and look at transmission for that further enhances that this is a manufacturing fault than a wear fault!!
Would you not concur!!

ajc606 · May 20, 2022

KB6930 said:
Your obviously hacked off by what's happened but in all honesty that'll be about right to fix if I work it back to uk money I wouldn't expect any less .

I've seen tractors in local dealers in as many pieces to fit a 50p circlip into a gearbox it's just the way it is now not much easy to fix

Yes a small air pipe split and I quoted $500 for
When I question they said that in Eu parts are subsidised 50% and because we don’t have subsidies here we pay full price here

KB6930 · May 20, 2022

ajc606 said:
Yes a small air pipe split and I quoted $500 for
When I question they said that in Eu parts are subsidised 50% and because we don’t have subsidies here we pay full price here

No idea about that most of your bill will be labour tho it's the same here.

Your man in the van maybe could have fixed it but if it was something different that he didn't know about then it could've ended up costing you a LOT more money

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