National trust farms.

slackjawedyokel · Oct 17, 2022

“Restore Trust” is campaigning for a resolution to get rid of the Chaiman’s discretionary proxy vote. In a lot of organisations you end up with high numbers of members who feel it’s their right and duty to get involved in AGM voting, but who don’t actually have any opinions of their own so they give their vote to the Chair to cast as they see fit. With something like the NT, the Chair ends up with a massive bloc vote so it gets really difficult for opposing voices to gain traction.

Ffermer Bach · Oct 17, 2022

ajcc said:
Actually 2 resolutions very relevant to NT and its tenant farmers.....note that “board of trustees “ recommends rejection in both cases!!

both resolutions seem very fair to me

ajcc · Oct 17, 2022

Again no surprise with board recommendation.

2tractors · Oct 17, 2022

ajcc said:
Again no surprise with board recommendation.

Already voted to support the resolutions- certainly wasn't going to give the chair a proxy!!

slackjawedyokel · Oct 17, 2022

It would be nice if that resolution on re-wilding/re-wetting were to pass but I wonder how much support it will attract. These things are practically always presented in the mainstream in a positive light so it’s hard to see the largely suburban NT membership being sufficiently enlightened to vote for the resolution.

NLF · Oct 17, 2022

Slightly off topic, but did I read somewhere that Charlie Flindt is giving up his tenancy and that the Trust are going to re-wild his farm?

Ffermer Bach · Oct 17, 2022

slackjawedyokel said:
It would be nice if that resolution on re-wilding/re-wetting were to pass but I wonder how much support it will attract. These things are practically always presented in the mainstream in a positive light so it’s hard to see the largely suburban NT membership being sufficiently enlightened to vote for the resolution.

and the annoying thing is, pasture land is better at sequestering carbon than woodland, there is some sort of a fetish that trees are good for climate change, cattle are bad, when the answer to buy us time to wean ourselves off fossil fuels is more cattle, but make sure they are regeneratively grazed.

Oscar · Oct 17, 2022

NLF said:
Slightly off topic, but did I read somewhere that Charlie Flindt is giving up his tenancy and that the Trust are going to re-wild his farm?

Yes , there was a thread about it around two weeks ago ! Sorry can t do links !!!

slackjawedyokel · Oct 17, 2022

Oscar said:
Yes , there was a thread about it around two weeks ago ! Sorry can t do links !!!

Farmers Weekly Charlie Flindt the National Trust and End of an Era

Just read that Charlie Flindt is effectively surrendering his tenancy of his NT farm and it will be taken back for tree planting and rewilding with a relatively small area planted with grass with him probably becoming the Park keeper. Having seen other farms owned by the NT being left to rack...

thefarmingforum.co.uk

slackjawedyokel · Oct 17, 2022

Incidentally, I think something similar is happening at Gallowshill Farm; it’s been a large farm which NT now plans to split with a large chunk being planted to trees etc while the remaining 137 Ha will be let to ‘the right candidate’ with sustainable ideals etc

devonbeef · Oct 17, 2022

ajcc said:
Actually 2 resolutions very relevant to NT and its tenant farmers.....note that “board of trustees “ recommends rejection in both cases!!

So they don,t want a ombudsman to keep tabs on them ,what a surprise

devonbeef · Oct 17, 2022

devonbeef said:
So they don,t want a ombudsman to keep tabs on them ,what a surprise

Need to plant this massive number of trees to reach carbon zero it says, By gum you should see the huge piles of mature trees they have felled to rewild killerton, from the native woodlands, several hundred metres long by 6m high.Then replacing them with a few 1 year old saplings , They really are the biggest load of morons out. Make my blood boil, The people in charge of the trust and indeed many things in this country , give me little hope of any thing sensible happening in this country. We really do need some practical people to be in positions of power, god help our kids.

Bracklandbarn · Oct 18, 2022

“How to make friends and influence people” Chapter 32.....

Dartmoor tenant farmers battle Natural England’s anti-grazing stance

A tenant farming family on Dartmoor is currently in a battle with Natural England, which is refusing to allow them to use their grazing rights on common land.

www.farminguk.com

Frank-the-Wool · Oct 19, 2022

2tractors said:
Already voted to support the resolutions- certainly wasn't going to give the chair a proxy!!

So have I. We need to encourage as many people as possible to put an end to this destruction of farming by the NT.

ajcc · Oct 19, 2022

Oscar said:
Yes , there was a thread about it around two weeks ago ! Sorry can t do links !!!

Bracklandbarn said:
“How to make friends and influence people” Chapter 32.....

Dartmoor tenant farmers battle Natural England’s anti-grazing stance

A tenant farming family on Dartmoor is currently in a battle with Natural England, which is refusing to allow them to use their grazing rights on common land.

www.farminguk.com

Helen Radmore is SW regional chair of TFA.
The NT has much to commend it. Present land policies are notable exception along with it more overt widespread desire to tread on anything agricultural in blind misguided dash to environmentalism.

Flat 10 · Oct 19, 2022

ajcc said:
Helen Radmore is SW regional chair of TFA.
The NT has much to commend it. Present land policies are notable exception along with it more overt widespread desire to tread on anything agricultural in blind misguided dash to environmentalism.

I don’t think the NT has anything to commend it

Formatted · Oct 28, 2022

Trust under fire from all angles - https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...-clandon-park-after-fire-sparks-ire-zllqwr6wf

Restore Trust

Restore Trust is a forum where members, supporters and friends of the National Trust can discuss their concerns about the future of the charity.

www.restoretrust.org.uk

Will Blackburn · Oct 28, 2022

Formatted said:
Trust under fire from all angles - https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...-clandon-park-after-fire-sparks-ire-zllqwr6wf

Restore Trust

Restore Trust is a forum where members, supporters and friends of the National Trust can discuss their concerns about the future of the charity.

www.restoretrust.org.uk

I thought they self insured?

ajcc · Oct 29, 2022

That Restore Trust website was a good find....interesting links including the ongoing saga of the building surveyor trial...which has been adjourned for twelve months due to illness....then there’s the Woolacombe down ‘alternative use.’.....could well be more SW scandals lurking close by, who knows?

Frank-the-Wool · Nov 26, 2022

I was talking to a NT tenant today who farms in the area. he was at his wits end with them.
The farm buildings (NT responsibility) are in disrepair, he said that the amount of rood covering gets less every year, yet they won't spend any money. The trees fall down everywhere (NT responsibility) but they do nothing about clearing anything up even when they fall on the fences.
They have reduced his stocking density and now the fields are full of Ant hills and he can no longer top it so is full of thistles.
Are other areas of the country any better for being a tenant of NT?

He is desperately hoping he gets a deal similar to @Charlie Flindt

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