HS2 phase 2 cancellation ?

Clive · Oct 5, 2023

Highland Mule said:
I would imagine Crichel Down rules apply

Crichel Down Rules on land ownership

Rules that apply to the sale of sites previously acquired by government departments and in defence.

www.gov.uk

posted at same time - it certainly will apply

however are all properties on this route now forever blighted on the basis a different government in the future may U turn again ?

db9go · Oct 5, 2023

Exfarmer said:
HS2 has to use White they lost Cherry in April 2021

no they do not they are one of the few exception like AG

Exfarmer · Oct 5, 2023

Clive said:
law dictates they are offered back to who they were bought from at the sane price as purchase

Crichel Down affair - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Are you certain? I understood that the law dictates that the property is offered back at the value today, not purchase date.
Many Farmers myself included were hit by land requisitioned during the war at very low values were hit by the Crichel Down ruling. My Grandfather lost a farm for under £10 an acre was offered back to me for around £400 in the 70’s. This was top market price then.

sgoti · Oct 5, 2023

db9go said:
no they do not they are one of the few exception like AG

ive have read that somewhere, the contractors said they would be pulling out from the job unless they could stay on red

vantage · Oct 5, 2023

serf said:
The amount of concrete literally going into black holes

Look on the bright side, the price of concrete is bound to fall!

fudge · Oct 5, 2023

HS2 should have been cancelled years ago. The government should keep the land and build affordable housing on its whole length. These homes should remain in public ownership. A memorial to the failure of privatisation. The whole thing could be called Thatcher Street.

serf · Oct 5, 2023

fudge said:
HS2 should have been cancelled years ago. The government should keep the land and build affordable housing on its whole length. These homes should remain in public ownership. A memorial to the failure of privatisation. The whole thing could be called Thatcher Street.

Who knows !
You can never second guess what might happen to these things as they evolve and GOVS change ....

Watch this space 🫣

Clive · Oct 5, 2023

Exfarmer said:
Are you certain? I understood that the law dictates that the property is offered back at the value today, not purchase date.
Many Farmers myself included were hit by land requisitioned during the war at very low values were hit by the Crichel Down ruling. My Grandfather lost a farm for under £10 an acre was offered back to me for around £400 in the 70’s. This was top market price then.

not 109% sure on how they value it but it dies have to be offered back to the compulsory purchase owner first

there is a good argument it’s worth less now as been derelict for a while and now forever blighted by threat of a hs2 revival ?

Clive · Oct 5, 2023

fudge said:
HS2 should have been cancelled years ago. The government should keep the land and build affordable housing on its whole length. These homes should remain in public ownership. A memorial to the failure of privatisation. The whole thing could be called Thatcher Street.

longest street in the uk

here’s an idea ? why not just throw some tarmac down and have another motorway straight to the capital

Oldmacdonald · Oct 5, 2023

fudge said:
HS2 should have been cancelled years ago. The government should keep the land and build affordable housing on its whole length. These homes should remain in public ownership. A memorial to the failure of privatisation. The whole thing could be called Thatcher Street.

Council houses.

Get back some of the social housing that woman started selling off.

fudge · Oct 5, 2023

Clive said:
longest street in the uk

Absolutely the Romans had nothing on Thatcher. I go further these affordable homes would be serviced by publicly owned utilities, and be available to public servants, teachers, nurses, caters and the like at 50% of their affordable rent.

Clive · Oct 5, 2023

Oldmacdonald said:
Council houses.

Get back some of the social housing that woman started selling off.

we need less nanny state not more

want a house ? get if your arse and work to buy or rent one !

this country has to stop rewarding those that “can’t be arsed”

Oldmacdonald · Oct 5, 2023

Clive said:
we need less nanny state not more

want a house ? get if your arse and work to buy or rent one !

this country has to stop rewarding those that “can’t be arsed”

Did you work for all you own?

Highland Mule · Oct 5, 2023

fudge said:
Absolutely the Romans had nothing on Thatcher. I go further these affordable homes would be serviced by publicly owned utilities, and be available to public servants, teachers, nurses, caters and the like at 50% of their affordable rent.

Great idea. Then we can pay them less and bring back indentured workers.

Exfarmer · Oct 5, 2023

Clive said:
we need less nanny state not more

want a house ? get if your arse and work to buy or rent one !

this country has to stop rewarding those that “can’t be arsed”

Yes but, the housing situation has become ridiculous not thanks to lack of demand , but government action, or possibly inaction. Young peoples aspirations are being destroyed by the current housing market

fudge · Oct 5, 2023

Highland Mule said:
Great idea. Then we can pay them less and bring back indentured workers.

No!! Living on Thatcher street would be something everyone aspired to. Availability wouldn’t be first come first served it would be linked to performance in public services.

Hindsight · Oct 5, 2023

Clive said:
we need less nanny state not more

want a house ? get if your arse and work to buy or rent one !

this country has to stop rewarding those that “can’t be arsed”

Housing Benefit is some £27bn a year - direct subsidy to the Buy To Let brigade. 'Buy to let' possibly the definitive 'can't be arsed'. True capitalism at work. Locks out non capitalists.

Clive · Oct 5, 2023

Hindsight said:
Housing Benefit is some £27bn a year - direct subsidy to the Buy To Let brigade. 'Buy to let' possibly the definitive 'can't be arsed'. True capitalism at work. Locks out non capitalists.

you reckon councils can run property cheaper than private landlords

now that is funny, they could turn buying a box of paper clips into a million £ tender !

Hindsight · Oct 5, 2023

fudge said:
No!! Living on Thatcher street would be something everyone aspired to. Availability wouldn’t be first come first served it would be linked to performance in public services.

There are many folk not in the public services equally deserving. Public service pay and conditions are not at all bad when all is considered.

Hindsight · Oct 5, 2023

Clive said:
you reckon councils can run property cheaper than private landlords

now that is funny, they could turn buying a box of paper clips into a million £ tender !

That is what you have inferred from my post. It is not what I wrote.

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