HS2 phase 2 cancellation ?

[Hilly]

Be nice just to have a dual carraigeway up the A1 to scotland first thats been delayed & delayed & we all know why.

Why?

 

[fudge]

There are many folk not in the public services equally deserving. Public service pay and conditions are not at all bad when all is considered.

Don’t worry no one is actually going to do any of this! People who work in the service of others are mugs, turkeys who repeatedly vote for Christmas.

 

[Clive]

That is what you have inferred from my post. It is not what I wrote.

you suggest the housing benifit makes private landlords fortunes ? and therefore i assume you suggest the benifit bill would be lower without that private profit ?

well, councils would not run housing cheaper than private landlords and private landlords are not making fortunes with interest rates at current levels

i have a couple of ‘84 rent act properties, they rent at less than 50% of market value. - i would suggest i am personally subsidising the government’s housing benefit budget right there - i would be more than happy to sell those properties to the local council at market value !

 

[puppet]

I am glad it has stopped. First it was about speed but Manchester to London in 2 hours 20 is already pretty good. Then extra capacity, well build a cheaper one to take goods and local trains. After all, most people live within 20 miles of work.
I heard of a big contractor who was brought in to help the original contractor finish to avoid penalties. The anticipated 6 weeks took only 4. Some work was undone to push the project up to the deadline and when thanked for their help were told if they were going to work that fast again wouldn't get much work.
On Vine yesterday it was reported that someone was posted where the newly constructed footpaths crossed working areas. When the local asked the worker how many had come through this year the answer was none.
What is it about the UK now where thousands are employed to sit about?

 

[Widgetone]

longest street in the uk


here’s an idea ? why not just throw some tarmac down and have another motorway straight to the capital

Crikey, I'm on message with our esteemed proprietor ( see post #210 ).
There's a chance for me yet...

 

[TheTallGuy]

not 109% sure on how they value it but it dies have to be offered back to the compulsory purchase owner first

there is a good argument it’s worth less now as been derelict for a while and now forever blighted by threat of a hs2 revival ?

Current market value as determined by the disposing "department's professionally qualified valuer" according to:

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1071500/CPO_guidance_-_with_2019_update.pdf

However, it's not an automatic guarantee to offer back to the original owner as there are exemptions to the rules.

 

[Hindsight]

you suggest the housing benifit makes private landlords fortunes ? and therefore i assume you suggest the benifit bill would be lower without that private profit ?

well, councils would not run housing cheaper than private landlords and private landlords are not making fortunes with interest rates at current levels

i have a couple of ‘84 rent act properties, they rent at less than 50% of market value. - i would suggest i am personally subsidising the government’s housing benefit budget right there - i would be more than happy to sell those properties to the local council at market value !

I suggest with respect you conveniently ignore capital appreciation and removal of housing stock from market, similar to second, third homes. Don't worry no political party is going to change anything. Just irritates that the spiralling housing benefit bill is not seen in context of driving prices and shortage of housing for new and young entrants.

 

[Clive]

I suggest with respect you conveniently ignore capital appreciation and removal of housing stock from market, similar to second, third homes. Don't worry no political party is going to change anything. Just irritates that the spiralling housing benefit bill is not seen in context of driving prices and shortage of housing for new and young entrants.

the solution to reduce housing benefit is to stop being so tolerant of people who choose not to work and want a free ride through life

privately owned housing stock will always be cheaper than council owned houses ……. as a council can turn buying a box of paper clips into a million £ tender !

right now property is depreciating and rents hardly cover cost of the money. ……. i don’t think private landlords are raking it in any longer as was also the case through almost any historical period other than the last 20 years

 

[Oldmacdonald]

you suggest the housing benifit makes private landlords fortunes ? and therefore i assume you suggest the benifit bill would be lower without that private profit ?

well, councils would not run housing cheaper than private landlords and private landlords are not making fortunes with interest rates at current levels

i have a couple of ‘84 rent act properties, they rent at less than 50% of market value. - i would suggest i am personally subsidising the government’s housing benefit budget right there - i would be more than happy to sell those properties to the local council at market value !

I ask again, did you work for all you own?

 

[Hindsight]

the solution to reduce housing benefit is to stop being so tolerant of people who choose not to work and want a free ride through life

privately owned housing stock will always be cheaper than council owned houses ……. as a council can turn buying a box of paper clips into a million £ tender !

right now property is depreciating and rents hardly cover cost of the money. ……. i don’t think private landlords are raking it in any longer as was also the case through almost any historical period other than the last 20 years

Timing Clive, timing. Buy to let bought 15 years ago has appreciated substantially even if value currently is reducing. As a farmer you may be aware of timing in regards to value of wheat?

I can think of many groups of ordinary working folk who rent Who are in receipt of housing benefit. They are nice, normal people, doing ordinary jobs. I am surprised you wrote that, though it is what I expect from a number of TFF contributors. Bash the skivers and shirkers. You weren’t at the Tory conference were you, or just on message from your recent visit the Downing Street. Cheers.

 

[fudge]

Timing Clive, timing. Buy to let bought 15 years ago has appreciated substantially even if value currently is reducing. As a farmer you may be aware of timing in regards to value of wheat?

I can think of many groups of ordinary working folk who rent Who are in receipt of housing benefit. They are nice, normal people, doing ordinary jobs. I am surprised you wrote that, though it is what I expect from a number of TFF contributors. Bash the skivers and shirkers. You weren’t at the Tory conference were you, or just on message from your recent visit the Downing Street. Cheers.

The inhabitants of Downing Street live in a social media bubble. Surely Clive must know this? This makes his comments on housing benefit all the more inexplicable.

 

[Oldmacdonald]

Timing Clive, timing. Buy to let bought 15 years ago has appreciated substantially even if value currently is reducing. As a farmer you may be aware of timing in regards to value of wheat?

I can think of many groups of ordinary working folk who rent Who are in receipt of housing benefit. They are nice, normal people, doing ordinary jobs. I am surprised you wrote that, though it is what I expect from a number of TFF contributors. Bash the skivers and shirkers. You weren’t at the Tory conference were you, or just on message from your recent visit the Downing Street. Cheers.

Some people just live in their own bubble, oblivious to their extremely fortunate set of circumstances that have given them as much as they have.

 

[Clive]

Timing Clive, timing. Buy to let bought 15 years ago has appreciated substantially even if value currently is reducing. As a farmer you may be aware of timing in regards to value of wheat?

I can think of many groups of ordinary working folk who rent Who are in receipt of housing benefit. They are nice, normal people, doing ordinary jobs. I am surprised you wrote that, though it is what I expect from a number of TFF contributors. Bash the skivers and shirkers. You weren’t at the Tory conference were you, or just on message from your recent visit the Downing Street. Cheers.

timing is everything easy ……… when you have your username !

 

[Oldmacdonald]

timing is everything easy ……… when you have your username !

You say people need less nanny state and more work ethic to earn their own home.

Did you work and earn everything you own?

 

[farmerm]

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It would be interesting to see those bars split out to show the relative costs of building tracks vs the costs of compulsory purchase of the land and property along the route.

 

[Hindsight]

timing is everything easy ……… when you have your username !

The housing market in UK has been a sacred, protected cow since Mrs Thatcher came to power. Read the pamphlets she, Kieth Jospeh and the right wing Conservatives wrote in the mid 70s. As a small town conservative (Grantham girl - head girl at the Grammar) she did have an understanding of the working man. The working man then as now is fundamentally conservative. In so far as the housing market over the years there have been just three incorrect timings - 1988 - 1993, 2008 - 2010 and 2023 - ???. All linked to economic shocks that jolt confidence. Outside of that the market has been one way and one way for a political purpose. Some unfortunates have been caught in those three periods. But the capital appreciation (value) 'engineered' by BofE and treasury has been purposeful in protecting the capital of the public and capitalists. The difficulty now for all political parties is to get owners of this capital to relinquish it to revenue to fund their lives - end of life care, for example. So your anto social housing perspective has meant individuals wish to horde their asset value wealth and hand it on to the next generation thus embedding the inequality.

 

[Right-arm fast]

The government has U turned on the second leg of HS2 because of the spiralling costs which is probably down to mismanagement by HS2 Ltd and the Government.

How long before they scrap or curtail the new environmental schemes because of spiralling costs caused by the same mismanagement and oversights.

It doesn't exactly give you confidence in the decision making capabilities of these civil servants.

 

[Exfarmer]

The government has U turned on the second leg of HS2 because of the spiralling costs which is probably down to mismanagement by HS2 Ltd and the Government.

How long before they scrap or curtail the new environmental schemes because of spiralling costs caused by the same mismanagement and oversights.

It doesn't exactly give you confidence in the decision making capabilities of these civil servants.

but is it the civil servants? It is the minister who makes the decisions, the civil servants just lay down the options.

 

[Right-arm fast]

but is it the civil servants? It is the minister who makes the decisions, the civil servants just lay down the options.

Dont the civil servants lay down the options having done the research and calcs? If these are not done correctly.............

 

[Clive]

You say people need less nanny state and more work ethic to earn their own home.

Did you work and earn everything you own?

not everything but certainly the vast majority of it yes, I started with a heap of debt really (but it was good debt !). I've not had it easy, I have certainly put the hours in through my younger years, never took a penny of social security in my life despite probably qualifying for it at times and have taken risks that could have bankrupted us had things not worked out the way I hoped they would

It's paid back though, life is easier now for sure