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ladycrofter

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Highland
Seriously I think you'd be netting maybe £10/lamb sold. If you don't factor in any salary. 🙄. Seriously. Genuinely. Really.

It's simple. Add up the cost of your meds for each ewe for two worm doses, three fluke doses, 2 VitE injections, four fly treatments, two vaccinations, 2 ewe boluses, and dipping. 2-3 dosing guns and 2 injectors. Plus quad fuel. Plus a half kilogram of feed per day coming up to and after lambing. 50 bales of hay for winter. If starting from scratch you'll spend a £1000 on steel work - hurdles, feed rings and a basic handling race.

You'll need a few bottles of metacam and penstrep, plus several tins of blue foot spray, a few spray bottles of tar, and many marker sprays. For lambing you'll need bales of straw, a bale of fine shavings and a splint kit for broken legs, iodine ££, castration rings, feeding tubes, mineral drench/Vit E/Sel, lambing ropes, powdered glucose, heat lamps, and probably 10-20kg powdered milk and 1kg colostrum. Before that, 5 prolapse spoons, 2 bottles Twin Lamb drench, bottle of calmag, yoghurt, honey, an addict's range of needles and syringes. I'm sure I've missed a few things. Shearing . . . wool doesn't cover the cost. Fencing.

Oh how we laugh 😂. But all of this seriously adds up. And you're still 6-8 months away from selling anything that survives the summer onslaught of pests and mysterious sudden death.

If you're interested in small, part time sheep keeping, you might be better profit-wise looking at a specialty like breeding a good and desirable cross ewe lamb to sell as gimmers, maybe Chev x Shetland, as Shetland are very hardy and low maintenance. Or whatever is flavour of the month in your area. Might get £125 each. Store lamb's about £60 for us, north facing rough grass, non- continental.
 

Guiggs

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Location
Leicestershire
Seriously I think you'd be netting maybe £10/lamb sold. If you don't factor in any salary. 🙄. Seriously. Genuinely. Really.

It's simple. Add up the cost of your meds for each ewe for two worm doses, three fluke doses, 2 VitE injections, four fly treatments, two vaccinations, 2 ewe boluses, and dipping. 2-3 dosing guns and 2 injectors. Plus quad fuel. Plus a half kilogram of feed per day coming up to and after lambing. 50 bales of hay for winter. If starting from scratch you'll spend a £1000 on steel work - hurdles, feed rings and a basic handling race.

You'll need a few bottles of metacam and penstrep, plus several tins of blue foot spray, a few spray bottles of tar, and many marker sprays. For lambing you'll need bales of straw, a bale of fine shavings and a splint kit for broken legs, iodine ££, castration rings, feeding tubes, mineral drench/Vit E/Sel, lambing ropes, powdered glucose, heat lamps, and probably 10-20kg powdered milk and 1kg colostrum. Before that, 5 prolapse spoons, 2 bottles Twin Lamb drench, bottle of calmag, yoghurt, honey, an addict's range of needles and syringes. I'm sure I've missed a few things. Shearing . . . wool doesn't cover the cost. Fencing.

Oh how we laugh 😂. But all of this seriously adds up. And you're still 6-8 months away from selling anything that survives the summer onslaught of pests and mysterious sudden death.

If you're interested in small, part time sheep keeping, you might be better profit-wise looking at a specialty like breeding a good and desirable cross ewe lamb to sell as gimmers, maybe Chev x Shetland, as Shetland are very hardy and low maintenance. Or whatever is flavour of the month in your area. Might get £125 each. Store lamb's about £60 for us, north facing rough grass, non- continental.
If i used a fraction of that kit and the time spent using it i wouldn't have anything to do with sheep.
People make a lot of hard work and spend far too much money on sheep than is necessary.
 

ladycrofter

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Highland
If we didn't do it we'd have a lot of dead sheep and lambs. As was the case before we started a health program a few years ago. If you're in the south, on south facing dry ground, with no serious mineral deficiency, a different situation. We're north, north facing, wet and cold. Had 2 days without rain in maybe 4 months. Fluke, flies, lice, ticks never stop. We're inundated with deer and they keep it all going, you never get ahead.

Lambing problems? I expect any breed has the odd prolapse, hung lamb, sick lamb, etc. We obviously don't need all the lambing kit every year. But have needed it all over several years. A&E don't keep what they use most, they keep everything they might need.

Or you could do it NZ style. Go on holiday at lambing. Come home and shovel up dead sheep and lambs, and say you're improving genetics. Not our style.
 

DanM

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Livestock Farmer
Location
West Country
Or you could do it NZ style. Go on holiday at lambing. Come home and shovel up dead sheep and lambs, and say you're improving genetics. Not our style.

Whilst all animals should be given whatever care required at the time. They should then be culled at the next available opportunity and not retained for breeding. Folk running their flocks like an intensive care unit, year after year and then stating there’s no money in the job are not doing the industry any favours.
 

Bury the Trash

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Mixed Farmer
Whilst all animals should be given whatever care required at the time. They should then be culled at the next available opportunity and not retained for breeding. Folk running their flocks like an intensive care unit, year after year and then stating there’s no money in the job are not doing the industry any favours.
exactly and only buy your necessary breeding stock from a source that shares that strategy
whether you keep 50 or 5000.
 

ladycrofter

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Highland
Fancy words guys. 🤔 hmmm just checking where you're all commenting from . . . not Highland it seems. BTW going down to freezing tonight. Up here anyway.

Let us know when you find Cheviot and Blackie that are immune to 2 kinds of fluke. And as mentioned elsewhere, if we don't tick newborn lambs, many have ticks within 24 hours. Just to put you in the picture. Flystrike nearly culled out 👍.
 

Bury the Trash

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Mixed Farmer
Fancy words guys. 🤔 hmmm just checking where you're all commenting from . . . not Highland it seems. BTW going down to freezing tonight. Up here anyway.

Let us know when you find Cheviot and Blackie that are immune to 2 kinds of fluke. And as mentioned elsewhere, if we don't tick newborn lambs, many have ticks within 24 hours. Just to put you in the picture. Flystrike nearly culled out 👍.
whats fancy about those words ? mine at least are hard won over 50yrs of working with sheep.
plenty of fluke here in soggy heavy ground west Devon ticks yeah... chemicals still needed to sort them
no its sheep that struggle to lamb themselves and lambs that are slow moving reluctant to suck is the point, and through that and live along with that 6 or 7 month wet winter that we always get be darned if i will fuss and fart over sheep that cant cope and do well in real life ,
 

ladycrofter

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Highland
no its sheep that struggle to lamb themselves and lambs that are slow moving reluctant to suck is the point, and through that and live along with that 6 or 7 month wet winter that we always get be darned if i will fuss and fart over sheep that cant cope and do well in real life ,
Yes I totally agree with that, a waste of time. We don't suffer lazy ewes and dopey lambs, not kept. As said in another thread, we stopped a cross 2 years ago that can't function in wet winters, and this will likely be our last year of Texel cross. We're keeping what was meant to be here, Blackies and Cheviots.
70 years shepherding between us.

We have half a dozen or so "hobby" sheep just because we like them, but who knows how anyone ever made a living from them. Possibly when the wool was the thing. But a huge mistake often made by those new to sheep, thinking they'll make a living from something no one else is keeping. Hence my original advice to the OP, suss out something desired by the market and that might sell at a premium over store lamb.
 

Yale

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Livestock Farmer
If we didn't do it we'd have a lot of dead sheep and lambs. As was the case before we started a health program a few years ago. If you're in the south, on south facing dry ground, with no serious mineral deficiency, a different situation. We're north, north facing, wet and cold. Had 2 days without rain in maybe 4 months. Fluke, flies, lice, ticks never stop. We're inundated with deer and they keep it all going, you never get ahead.

Lambing problems? I expect any breed has the odd prolapse, hung lamb, sick lamb, etc. We obviously don't need all the lambing kit every year. But have needed it all over several years. A&E don't keep what they use most, they keep everything they might need.

Or you could do it NZ style. Go on holiday at lambing. Come home and shovel up dead sheep and lambs, and say you're improving genetics. Not our style.
Problem is with the UK a NZ go on holiday scenario cannot happen. There are too many people with camera phones and no common sense. This morning on the local WhatsApp group, why the stupid woman didn’t simply release it I don’t know! And it’s not our sheep but because you are a farmer they seem to think we will all rush there with blue lights flashing whilst they make a brew with a warm fuzzy feeling. :rolleyes:
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spark_28

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Location
Western isles
I've got 40 Hebrideans and 80 BF ewes.

Not through 50 bags of feed yet and used two hay bales on top that. Have about 100 live lambs on the ground with a more yet to come. Got sick fed up of terminals and f**king about at lambing.

Lambed a relatives yesterday and it ran off and I spent the next hour and a half trying to catch it after it escaped out onto the common. Reminder why I got the hell away from terminals.

Have very little gear, a dog, dosing gun, crovect gun, couple other bits and bobs and a shearing machine that I invested in to help others aswell. No fixed pen but that's in the offing as I expand the BF numbers.

What I do have though is miles and miles of common grazing that needs filled. I won't make massive amounts of money off the sheep but I'll make a little when I get going properly I think
 

ladycrofter

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Highland
@spark_28 BF and fixed pen🤣🤣🤣 better use deer netting buried in the ground. We just put hames on one, couldn't see anywhere that she and her lamb were getting out onto the road. Caught her squeezing through the very tight fence wires, showing the offspring the ropes 😈.
 
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ladycrofter

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Highland
Problem is with the UK a NZ go on holiday scenario cannot happen. There are too many people with camera phones and no common sense. This morning on the local WhatsApp group, why the stupid woman didn’t simply release it I don’t know! And it’s not our sheep but because you are a farmer they seem to think we will all rush there with blue lights flashing whilst they make a brew with a warm fuzzy feeling. :rolleyes:

Yes! And as soon as they see you, they're out
This one is definitely genetic. We haven't had many but it's always been thw crosses, and the same one every time. In a previous flock I culled for it.
Top tip, if they're really stuck, take the back legs and flip them on their back, come out no problem. Then mark them cull 👍
 

Estate fencing.

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Livestock Farmer
We spend an absolute fortune on our ewes at work, expensive mules, there houses for 3 months, 60kg head cake, plenty of lambing staff and sheep get every treatment and vaccine, all with an aim to sell 200%. My own are completely opposite, cheap home bred or bad bred mules, no feeding at all, lamb on there own and never get any vaccine just keep them wormed and cliked, aim to sell 150%. Make almost identical profits out of the 2 systems
 
We spend an absolute fortune on our ewes at work, expensive mules, there houses for 3 months, 60kg head cake, plenty of lambing staff and sheep get every treatment and vaccine, all with an aim to sell 200%. My own are completely opposite, cheap home bred or bad bred mules, no feeding at all, lamb on there own and never get any vaccine just keep them wormed and cliked, aim to sell 150%. Make almost identical profits out of the 2 systems
Very versatile these mules;)
 

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