Business challenges post Brexit.

Old McDonald · Jul 27, 2017

Muck Spreader said:
Au contraire, no one was pressing for a referendum other than Farrage and the Murdoch press who simply used half-truths and made up stories to promote and ferment an anti foreigner, anti EU disquiet in the public.

I think your view on that is not correct. I would guess that all UKIP supporters wanted out. Obviously a majority of all others did too.

To say that only Farage and part of the press were wanting a referendum is rather stretching things.

linga · Jul 27, 2017

Muck Spreader said:
Au contraire, no one was pressing for a referendum other than Farrage and the Murdoch press who simply used half-truths and made up stories to promote and ferment an anti foreigner, anti EU disquiet in the public.

The remain side had ample opportunity to counter any half truths and made up stories.

Ashtree · Jul 27, 2017

Meanwhile back at the ranch normal service continues.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...mber-rudd-boris-johnson-brandon-a7862306.html

Muck Spreader · Jul 27, 2017

linga said:
The remain side had ample opportunity to counter any half truths and made up stories.

What I am saying is there wasn't any Remain or Brexit side because it wasn't an issue to 90% of the population. And until the Tories put the possibility of a referendum in their 2015 manifesto in an effort to appease some of right-wing who may have been tempted to vote UKIP. If it had been any sort of an issue it would have been prominently featuring in all the parties manifestos for the previous two decades. This is probably why the government and civil service are in total meltdown over trying to implement something that has hit them totally out of the blue.

linga · Jul 27, 2017

Muck Spreader said:
What I am saying is there wasn't any Remain or Brexit side because it wasn't an issue to 90% of the population. And until the Tories put the possibility of a referendum in their 2015 manifesto in an effort to appease some of right-wing who may have been tempted to vote UKIP. If it had been any sort of an issue it would have been prominently featuring in all the parties manifestos for the previous two decades. This is probably why the government and civil service are in total meltdown over trying to implement something that has hit them totally out of the blue.

And you know this do you.?

I am not sure you can assume that just because it hadnt featured prominently in the parties manifestos that it wasnt an issue.
Another way of looking at it is that the major parties denied the electorate a say

RobFZS · Jul 27, 2017

Muck Spreader said:
What I am saying is there wasn't any Remain or Brexit side because it wasn't an issue to 90% of the population. And until the Tories put the possibility of a referendum in their 2015 manifesto in an effort to appease some of right-wing who may have been tempted to vote UKIP. If it had been any sort of an issue it would have been prominently featuring in all the parties manifestos for the previous two decades. This is probably why the government and civil service are in total meltdown over trying to implement something that has hit them totally out of the blue.

The civil service and the government crawl from one crisis to another, they're not prepared for anything, there is plenty of sensible options available, but they're inept and need better people in place, this is what happens when you farm out policy that means massive attention to detail to somewhere else.

Britain has always been Eurosceptic, the polling over the years proves it, 300k net migration while no one is getting any richer, was the final straw

Henarar · Jul 27, 2017

Dalehitchy said:
I still dont get why farmers voted for this

Farmers are people not just farmers

Ashtree · Jul 27, 2017

RobFZS said:
The civil service and the government crawl from one crisis to another, they're not prepared for anything, there is plenty of sensible options available, but they're inept and need better people in place, this is what happens when you farm out policy that means massive attention to detail to somewhere else.

Britain has always been Eurosceptic, the polling over the years proves it, 300k net migration while no one is getting any richer, was the final straw

But weren't they inept back in the seventies which was the very reason they needed to grab the life ring.
Now you say they are still inept but jumping off the life boat regardless.
:scratchhead:

RobFZS · Jul 27, 2017

Ashtree said:
But weren't they inept back in the seventies which was the very reason they needed to grab the life ring.
Now you say they are still inept but jumping off the life boat regardless.

It cant go on any longer, kicking the can down the road has to end, unless you think it's a good idea these incompetent people should carry on governing us?

Also, you're conflicting the EEC with the EU, 2 different animals untill Maastricht.

nivilla1982 · Jul 27, 2017

http://brexitcentral.com/brexit-bel...ical-party-next-six-months-critical-delivery/
Brexit belongs to the British people – not any political party – and the next six months are critical to its delivery
Gisela Stuart

Muck Spreader · Jul 27, 2017

RobFZS said:
It cant go on any longer, kicking the can down the road has to end, unless you think it's a good idea these incompetent people should carry on governing us?

Also, you're conflicting the EEC with the EU, 2 different animals untill Maastricht.

They will go on kicking the can because they are waiting to be told what to do and if TM's ministers don't get sorted the EU will end up telling us what's going to happen. What is your solution/options by the way?

RobFZS · Jul 27, 2017

Muck Spreader said:
They will go on kicking the can because they are waiting to be told what to do and if TM's ministers don't get sorted the EU will end up telling us what's going to happen. What is your solution/options by the way?

http://www.eureferendum.com/documents/flexcit.pdf

ta DA!

Only been posting it on this forum for the last 18 months

Ashtree · Jul 27, 2017

Muck Spreader said:
They will go on kicking the can because they are waiting to be told what to do and if TM's ministers don't get sorted the EU will end up telling us what's going to happen. What is your solution/options by the way?

So it seems. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...resa-may-european-union-divorce-a7862651.html

RobFZS · Jul 27, 2017

Ashtree said:
So it seems. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...resa-may-european-union-divorce-a7862651.html

stamping his feet over this rubbish on the ECJ having jurisdiction over citizens in a foreign country

czechmate · Jul 27, 2017

wanton dwarf said:
You are not a farmer.

You have no idea what pressure we are under to actually earn enough money to live, never mind the risks we take.

That's why you don't understand why we want to leave the EU ...

What kind of moron comes onto a farming website, doesn't even have a clear understanding of how imports/exports work, doesn't understand farming business and then calls 99.9% of the subscribers morons ?

For your information most grains are already traded at world prices. Subsidies are being stolen by charities and environmentalists all the time. Some of us would rather the subsidies disappeared and the regulators were told to Fox Trot Oscar.

If we could have thrown the subsidies back and not be under EU rules we would have done years ago.

EU policies have not only hurt farmers but most of UK industry ... just so happens Labour supports those exact same policies.

We ain't gonna let it happen any more ?

Are we clear "moron" ?

Are you are farmer?
I recall a few weeks back you were saying how the bins in your tower block were locked. I suppose you can be a farmer and live in a tower block, wouldn't be my choice.

Ashtree · Jul 27, 2017

czechmate said:
Are you are farmer?
I recall a few weeks back you were saying how the bins in your tower block were locked. I suppose you can be a farmer and live in a tower block, wouldn't be my choice.

Wonder how long a nice new shiney Fendt would last parked up outside a typical tower block

czechmate · Jul 27, 2017

Ashtree said:
Wonder how long a nice new shiney Fendt would last parked up outside a typical tower block

One that needs the bins locked

Would rather put a caravan on the farm

Bossfarmer · Jul 27, 2017

wanton dwarf said:
You are not a farmer.

You have no idea what pressure we are under to actually earn enough money to live, never mind the risks we take.

That's why you don't understand why we want to leave the EU ...

What kind of moron comes onto a farming website, doesn't even have a clear understanding of how imports/exports work, doesn't understand farming business and then calls 99.9% of the subscribers morons ?

For your information most grains are already traded at world prices. Subsidies are being stolen by charities and environmentalists all the time. Some of us would rather the subsidies disappeared and the regulators were told to Fox Trot Oscar.

If we could have thrown the subsidies back and not be under EU rules we would have done years ago.

EU policies have not only hurt farmers but most of UK industry ... just so happens Labour supports those exact same policies.

We ain't gonna let it happen any more ?

Are we clear "moron" ?

this is utter drivel what are you talking about we had it great in the EU subs every year just for filling in a few forms, I don't care if you get 20k or 100k if you won 20k on a scratchcard youd be happy right? guess what you could have that every year if we stayed in the EU

Bossfarmer · Jul 27, 2017

Walterp said:
Although I have followed the debate for over a year, I have seen only one concrete opportunity quoted as being an outcome of Brexit - the hope that UK farmland prices will crash, distressed farmers will be sold out by their banks, and the resultant cheap farms become available for expanding dairy farmers to buy at a knockdown price.

The precise description accorded by Mr Ian Potter (not the only person to have described this, but certainly the most graphic) is that the dairy farmers he knew "were licking their lips" at this prospect.

This should tell most TFF members what the realistic prospects actually are.

If they remain in any doubt, a read of Arthur Street's 'Farmer's Glory', an account of farming in a period of free trade (Imperial Preference), will confirm the deleterious effects. He ended his account with a phrase I have always borne in mind: "One man saved British agriculture - Adolf Hitler".

correct about dairy farmers I was speaking to a few at the weekend and they cant wait to take on the ground suckler/sheep farmers currently farm, there subs are only worth 1ppl to many of them

czechmate · Jul 27, 2017

Bossfarmer said:
this is utter drivel what are you talking about we had it great in the EU subs every year just for filling in a few forms, I don't care if you get 20k or 100k if you won 20k on a scratchcard youd be happy right? guess what you could have that every year if we stayed in the EU

Someone who calls another poster a "moron" isn't the most likely to come out with quality in my experience. I am annoyingly, I little fascinated to hear the link between living in a tower block and being a farmer...

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