Changes to fox hunting in Scotland?

Foxes will have a go at anything. Badgers will too, even cattle aren't safe. A downed cow or a ewe that's stuck on her back is considered fair game. A fox will panic lambs until they are exhausted or caught in fencing or brambles if there is no easier source of food.

If the fox is prepared to chase and kill I personally couldn't care if they too are chased and killed by another predator. I accept guns might appear more humane but it is obvious you can't shoot on all terrain. I'd sooner avoid the use of snares if it was me.

Much of the anti-hunt sentiment is brought about by the perceptions of the people involved in it or of experience of the (poor) behaviour of some hunts.
 

Nithsdale

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Livestock Farmer
Spent time around shepherding, where exactly? The fox found in the Highlands is a completely different beast to one of your suburban pets.

Well, I don't know about "knowledgeable" but you can tell some people something forever and they are never going to believe it. Yes, I have seen foxes hunting in a group -- about this time of year in the Highlands when everything is frozen solid (-10C at Braemar last night apparently, -25 at Altnaharra a few years ago)) but I took that to be a family group. Saw them several nights, up to five in the group.

By the way, these foxes would be in good condition because there are usually casualty sheep they can predate. Touch one of those sheep with a human hand and foxes won't eat from it.

The government report states foxes will take live healthy lambs up to 10kgs in weight. I tend to trust a pro-fox scientist working 24/7 studying foxes exclusively, especially as he was known to be dubious like some here and not anti fox when he started. He set out to prove fox clubs (where all local farmers contribute to a full time fox hunter with 50% government aid) were an unnecessary expense but had to change his tune. What proof do you actually need?

If anyone has any doubt about foxes attacking full grown sheep )especially when incapacitated during lambing or perhaps by illness) all they have to do is phone a few vets up here and ask.


You undermine your own argument as casting foxes in another area off as "suburban". I appreciate your location but you belittle someone who lives elsewhere. I'd really like to know your definition of a suburban fox if that's what I'm classed as.

You've also in this post just said these foxes are usually taking casualty sheep 🤦🏻‍♂️ reaffirming what I've said
 

Bipper

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The Scottish parliament does acknowledge that dogs are needed to control foxes. For anyone who doesn't know the proposal is to introduce a licensing system for the use of more than two dogs for flushing to guns

This is the bit which seems to being missed, this is not about Fox hunting in the trdational, red jackets and horses sense. It is about flushing foxes and more generally hunting with dogs.
 

britishblue

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Scottish Borders
Are footballers being ripped to pieces on your land? Excellent!
Do you allow spectators?

I bet Rooney and Ronaldo would be looking less smug if there was a risk of that happening to them.
Although maybe not at St James Park I am sure the new owners of Newcastle United will have cut of hundreds of heads.Should we ban them from owning the football club?
 

pycoed

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Funny that.

New keeper on here has taken foxes which the hunt never got. He's also taking the foxes which the previous keeper could see but never get.

Just because I'm not the Highlands doesn't mean we don't have challenging geography.
Well about once every year or so, a farmer neighbour the other side of the hill from us who is out several times a week with his rifle & night vision calls my mate's hounds over for a problem fox. He is a sheep farmer & a keen shooter, but every so often needs a "pair of hounds" & a few shotguns to solve the problem...
Some keepers think that all they need to do is kill foxes & do just that, others may think differently.
 

Macsky

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Highland
Do you have any real evidence of foxes hunting in groups/packs/teams?

Because they are solitary hunters. Even when a vixen takes out her cubs - they will be in a localised area, but all hunting/working alone.

Surely someone who comes across as knowledgeable as yourself would know this


Also, there is no chance a fox is taking a healthy lamb as old as 5 days old. The effort and energy needed to be exerted isn't worth it - they will go and catch something easier or eat something which isn't moving.

Anyone who's spent any time shepherding around foxes knows this.
I can vouch for both foxes working in groups and also attacking adult ewes, as both have happened here.

Before I started work here the shepherd thought there was a dog/dogs working at the ewes but never saw any sign of them other than injured ewes in the morning, it was a couple of local lads out at night that finally caught the culprit at it, a large fox!

And only this passed lambing were 3 foxes caught in the beam of one lamp. Not the news I wanted to hear that day, had already lost a few twins by this point. The place is polluted with them. Know a boy further north in the island that is averaging about 60 shot annually.

I certainly wouldn’t rule out the taking of a 5 day old lamb either, it would be at the rarer end of the spectrum, especially if perfectly healthy, but still not implausible.
 
See not surprisingly the act has been voted through, be interesting to see how the licensing scheme works?

No details yet, apart from having up to 14 days per licence, to be used within a 6 month period. Land under different ownerships can feature on the same licence.

If they really wanted to be awkward they could specify a number of dogs per licence, tied in with microchip numbers.

One important part of the new law is a ban on "animal based scents" being used for trail hunting.
 

toquark

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The greens are running wild passing bills through. They will ruin the Scottish countryside
SNP, until they got into bed with the greens, were pretty pro countryside as they recognised that a lot of their voter base was in rural counties. The coalition with the greens has done and will do more damage to the countryside and society via the gender obsessed woke bulls**t than any Labour, Tory or SNP administration has ever done.

The Green Party is an insidious scourge infested entirely by fifth columnists.
 

Swarfmonkey

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Hampshire
Scratch the surface of a lot of Greens and you'll see a raving far left type lurking underneath. All they've done is dip their rancid politics in greenwash.

As to Scotland specifically, the Greens managed to garner a miniscule 1.3% of the constituency seat vote but ended up as kingmaker with power out of all proportion to what they should have. Why? Because without them on side the SNP does not have a working majority.
 

Dave6170

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They voted another bill through regarding on shore wind. Basically they can be put anywhere now apart from the national parks. Sssi, Sac, close to towns, villages, historic sites, even the flow country if it gets unesco world heritage status.
I was thinking us as farmers have hundreds of rules to follow, we have to protect this and that and we are not allowed to do xyz!
The greens are lunatics and it’s the snp fault that they are there!
 

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