£250/acre rent question

[Grassman]

the other thing to note is that to get his inputs BOB by year 3 is totally commited to selling his produce to and buying his inputs from a large multinational for ease of cash flow management, who also helps and advises on the agronomy and cropping plan, of course for his loyalty he does pay a small premium and receive slightly less but he does get to go on an all expenses paid trip to some god forsaken place as an agricultural study tour and gets to be treated as the forward thinking progressive farmer of his generation and by the end of year 5 has every new bit of shiny gear replaced on chucky and a humungous overdraft to service the initial loan which is growing every year he will of course embrace every new fad going over the last years on the grounds of reducing costs so will have a yard full of expensive rusting gear then the decision to sell the offlying acerage that grandad bought and father struggled to pay for is made on the basis that money has to be working not tied up but fortunately that has increased in value 5 fold and so bob is now in a position to expand again

That must be the longest sentence ever on TFF!

 

[Pennine Ploughing]

your all forgetting the the fact that things will change, next year wheat will be £260 and barley will be £245 straw £85 per acre in the swath, and winter keep for sheep £1.25 a head per week, fuel will continue to fall in price, along with chemicals and fert, machinery dealers will be offering buy 1 get 1 free on everything, the down side is that shooting will go up

 

[Drillman]

your all forgetting the the fact that things will change, next year wheat will be £260 and barley will be £245 straw £85 per acre in the swath, and winter keep for sheep £1.25 a head per week, fuel will continue to fall in price, along with chemicals and fert, machinery dealers will be offering buy 1 get 1 free on everything, the down side is that shooting will go up

Suits me fine. I don't shoot.

 

[Surgery]

Can anyone get bob to contact us , he is more than welcome to rent ours at £250 an acre

 

[Grassman]

your all forgetting the the fact that things will change, next year wheat will be £260 and barley will be £245 straw £85 per acre in the swath, and winter keep for sheep £1.25 a head per week, fuel will continue to fall in price, along with chemicals and fert, machinery dealers will be offering buy 1 get 1 free on everything, the down side is that shooting will go up

What have you been sniffing?

 

[Pennine Ploughing]

Propcorn

What have you been sniffing?

 

[Grassman]

Basically what we see here is that big farmers will get bigger and new tenant farmers havn't got a friggin hope in hell!

 

[Pennine Ploughing]

Basically what we see here is that big farmers will get bigger and new tenant farmers havn't got a friggin hope in hell!

everything goes full cycle, will end up with a lot of big estates like 200 years ago, then it will be not until there demise will we see the return to small farms, won't be in our time here on earth though

 

[7610 super q]

Basically what we see here is that big farmers will get bigger and new tenant farmers havn't got a friggin hope in hell!

Doesn't matter how big you are, if profit per acre including SFP= £160/ acre(not including rent), and you're paying £250/ acre rent.............
Who's Bob BTW ?

 

[Frodo]

A lot of jealousy on this thread. I like Bob, he doesn't have a chip on his shoulder, gets on with people and to be honest its his money and he can smoke it how he likes. In my experience he also hosts good parties and has a tidy wife.

From what I can see just about every industry/profession has a Bob, all you can do is make the most of your own circumstances. Probably best not offer £251/acre to compete, but work out how you can make your own living.

 

[marcot]

I was quite liking Bob until @4course dropped the bombshell that he went over to the "other side" a became a bloomin Direct Driller. ...gone right off him now

 

[Grassman]

Who's Bob BTW ?

Robert obviously

 

[Clive]

Basically what we see here is that big farmers will get bigger and new tenant farmers havn't got a friggin hope in hell!

i feel the opposite is true

big is not beautiful, especially right now

 

[Brisel]

There is room for both big & small. The big guys can produce commodities at low cost thanks to economies of scale. The smaller ones can be more manouvreable and specialise, with excellent attention to detail.

The issue is whether you want to be farming Bob's 4500 acres at a profit of £63/acre paying big rents, rushing around for £283,500 with the chance of a bigger upside in a good year or farming his early 2000 acres at £140/acre profit for, er, £280,000!

 

[strip-till-phil]

Ok thanks you have confirmed my mathematics were correct and there arn't any hidden payments of any kind that make 250 viable at present.

It just sounds crazy to me as 2.5 tons/acre of barley is required before entering the field

I know it's none of my business but I just don't get why they do it, only thing I can think is
A: They have no idea of the growing costs
B: They don't pay the agreed rent

 

[Surgery]

There is room for both big & small. The big guys can produce commodities at low cost thanks to economies of scale. The smaller ones can be more manouvreable and specialise, with excellent attention to detail.

The issue is whether you want to be farming Bob's 4500 acres at a profit of £63/acre paying big rents, rushing around for £283,500 with the chance of a bigger upside in a good year or farming his early 2000 acres at £140/acre profit for, er, £280,000!

Or rent out his original , and owned , 1000 acres for £250 an acre with fek all overheads for £250000

 

[Adeptandy]

There is room for both big & small. The big guys can produce commodities at low cost thanks to economies of scale. The smaller ones can be more manouvreable and specialise, with excellent attention to detail.

The issue is whether you want to be farming Bob's 4500 acres at a profit of £63/acre paying big rents, rushing around for £283,500 with the chance of a bigger upside in a good year or farming his early 2000 acres at £140/acre profit for, er, £280,000!

My business model is based on the latter, Profit £/a rules here

 

[Mickstup]

perhaps he enjoys p$ssing people off and is prepared to pay for the priviledge

 

[ARW]

A lot of jealousy on this thread. I like Bob, he doesn't have a chip on his shoulder, gets on with people and to be honest its his money and he can smoke it how he likes. In my experience he also hosts good parties and has a tidy wife.

From what I can see just about every industry/profession has a Bob, all you can do is make the most of your own circumstances. Probably best not offer £251/acre to compete, but work out how you can make your own living.

I don't like bob!
And yes I'm jealous he can farm under his own right, but I am sure as he'll not jealous of paying a huge rent/risk and that amount if acres.
He is the leading farmer in the paying too much brigade making it near on impossible to start farming for the next generation

 

[4course]

I was quite liking Bob until @4course dropped the bombshell that he went over to the "other side" a became a bloomin Direct Driller. ...gone right off him now

ha, the thing is hes already moving into the non move it surface scratching brigade but his cost struture timeliness doesnt allow him the time to attempt to make it work properly and the grass weeds/compaction falling yield will mean he starts to plough again at least part but then he will call it rotational.