10,000 hour plus tractors

[oil barron]

I'm sure they changed the hue of the paint at some point. When was that then?

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[Cowabunga]

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Surely there's been a change since then? That seems an awful long time ago. Seem to remember being fairly young back then.

 

[oil barron]

Surely there's been a change since then? That seems an awful long time ago. Seem to remember being fairly young back then.

I know where does the time go. 15 years ago you were educating us all on BFF on the various back end oil options and keeping that angry bloke who liked to host shooting parties right. I think we had a debate on Powerstar engine balancers around 07. But no it’s been the same blue since 01.

Original ford blue

Newholland blue with grey chassis 2001

Newholland blue with black chassis 02

yellow flash 05

white flash 03

 

[oil barron]

Surely there's been a change since then? That seems an awful long time ago. Seem to remember being fairly young back then.

and I’m fairly certain looking at some pictures that the 140 does have the lighter duty front axle. You can see the hub size is smaller than the pictures above which were all 150/155s

 

[jimcooke770]

That’s impressive. Almost as good as a certain forum members valtra....
And I would be happy to own either with those kind of running costs...

Unlike my 7810 and 7930
£32 k in repairs between them

 

[Flat 10]

Unlike my 7810 and 7930
£32 k in repairs between them

Oooooof

 

[Cowabunga]

Some vague memory suggests that NH called these axles ‘category 1 and caregory 2‘ axles. Or Cat2 and Cat3? They may have similar strength ratings for the rear axles as well.

 

[Drillman]

I know where does the time go. 15 years ago you were educating us all on BFF on the various back end oil options and keeping that angry bloke who liked to host shooting parties right. I think we had a debate on Powerstar engine balancers around 07. But no it’s been the same blue since 01.

Original ford blue
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Newholland blue with grey chassis 2001
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Newholland blue with black chassis 02
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yellow flash 05
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white flash 03
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Yes that’s correct for paint.

TM135-140-150-155-165 all had same backend with same lift capacity if twin assist or rams were fitted.

TM150 and up had heavier front axle. Easy way to tell is the bigger front hubs. For reference the 135 and 140 had a 9 ton chassis rating. 150-155-165 had 10 ton chassis rating.

there was also the 165 ultra which had bar axles and 42 inch rims. I don’t know a lot about that model to be fair. But would guess it’s lift capacity and/or chassis rating may have been higher.

TM135 morphed into the TM140 with the addition of an Intercooler. The 135 was actually only 125hp. The TM140 is the power on the sticker. Unless 10mm remap been done

TM150 (actually 140hp) was replaced with the TM155 (155hp) again with an interestingly the 140 and 155 models had fuel tanks 20 litre smaller than the older versions due to battery relocation under the cab steps to make room for the intercooler. I honestly also believe the older ones were better nailed together. As build quality took a hit after the case merger due to the sheer amount of tractors been churned out of Basildon!

the 165 was replaced effectively with the LWB 175 with the 190 added on top.

 

[Cowabunga]

Yes that’s correct for paint.

TM135-140-150-155-165 all had same backend with same lift capacity if twin assist or rams were fitted.

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8260, 8360, 8560 all had different size back axles. The 8560 has markedly bigger epicyclic reduction gears at the back but shares the same heavy duty front axle with the 8360. The 8360 is equivalent to the TM150 in power and duty but with only one assist ram as standard.

 

[Drillman]

8260, 8360, 8560 all had different size back axles. The 8560 has markedly bigger epicyclic reduction gears at the back but shares the same heavy duty front axle with the 8360. The 8360 is equivalent to the TM150 in power and duty but with only one assist ram as standard.

8360 was actually 135hp and TM150 140hp but otherwise would say your probably right.

 

[Cowabunga]

8360 was actually 135hp and TM150 140hp but otherwise would say your probably right.

I doubt whether there was actually any difference in power. My 8360 has always put out 144hp at the shaft. Way more than advertised and not tweaked. Pulling slurry tankers up the same hills it goes at exactly the same speed as my Titan, which is 160 at the shaft and the vario MF which is 177 at the shaft.
This suggests that the Range Command transmission is really quite efficient on the road, even when all the tractors are pulled down to 13kph by the load. I'm very pleased with the NH and it still goes like new.

 

[Drillman]

I doubt whether there was actually any difference in power. My 8360 has always put out 144hp at the shaft. Way more than advertised and not tweaked. Pulling slurry tankers up the same hills it goes at exactly the same speed as my Titan, which is 160 at the shaft and the vario MF which is 177 at the shaft.
This suggests that the Range Command transmission is really quite efficient on the road, even when all the tractors are pulled down to 13kph by the load. I'm very pleased with the NH and it still goes like new.

I’m quoting brochure figure. It’s well known that the powerstar is a good performer especially if you let the torque do the work!

 

[oil barron]

Yes that’s correct for paint.

TM135-140-150-155-165 all had same backend with same lift capacity if twin assist or rams were fitted.

TM150 and up had heavier front axle. Easy way to tell is the bigger front hubs. For reference the 135 and 140 had a 9 ton chassis rating. 150-155-165 had 10 ton chassis rating.

there was also the 165 ultra which had bar axles and 42 inch rims. I don’t know a lot about that model to be fair. But would guess it’s lift capacity and/or chassis rating may have been higher.

TM135 morphed into the TM140 with the addition of an Intercooler. The 135 was actually only 125hp. The TM140 is the power on the sticker. Unless 10mm remap been done

TM150 (actually 140hp) was replaced with the TM155 (155hp) again with an interestingly the 140 and 155 models had fuel tanks 20 litre smaller than the older versions due to battery relocation under the cab steps to make room for the intercooler. I honestly also believe the older ones were better nailed together. As build quality took a hit after the case merger due to the sheer amount of tractors been churned out of Basildon!

the 165 was replaced effectively with the LWB 175 with the 190 added on top.

I think you are quoting DIN horsepower for the mark 1 TMs and ISO horsepower for the mark 11 TMs. Newholland changed the way it reported horsepower in the brochures at this time.

 

[Cowabunga]

I think you are quoting DIN horsepower for the mark 1 TMs and ISO horsepower for the mark 11 TMs. Newholland changed the way it reported horsepower in the brochures at this time.

More complications! ?

 

[Two Tone]

I’ve got these 2 old girls that have both done over 10,000 hrs

I didn’t buy them new. I bought them 4 years ago and they have both been pretty reliable.
The 8340 is 1995 and the 7740 is 1993.
You get a few problems mostly with oil pressure sensors that start to leak, but are easily replaced.
Both are SLE models and it is good practice to recalibrate the gear changes every year.
The engines are bomb proof.

I replaced a couple of old Masseys (3080 and a 6180) with them that were quite unreliable despite having many 1,000’s of hour less.

These Fords/NH’s are my pride and joy and I actually prefer driving these than my main 2 tractors.

EDIT
Both were Dyno tested a couple of years ago and found to be well over the rated Horsepowers by 10 - 20 HP
Every other make bar JCB that were tested that day were well under what they were supposed to be.

 

[oil barron]

More complications! ?

You used to love a good complication. You must be getting old.

 

[holywell farmer]

I doubt whether there was actually any difference in power. My 8360 has always put out 144hp at the shaft. Way more than advertised and not tweaked. Pulling slurry tankers up the same hills it goes at exactly the same speed as my Titan, which is 160 at the shaft and the vario MF which is 177 at the shaft.
This suggests that the Range Command transmission is really quite efficient on the road, even when all the tractors are pulled down to 13kph by the load. I'm very pleased with the NH and it still goes like new.

Isn't range command A simple gear box in the sense v the power command when it comes to maintaining it ?

 

[Davy]

Have an 8360, TM 150 and TM 155 here. Out of them all, the 8360 has had the least work needing done to it in its time with us in the form of a damper plate. Bloody thing just keeps going, 14000hrs. The other 2 are good buses too right enough. They all pull the same, though there would be more horses in them now than when they left the factory?

 

[holywell farmer]

I’ve got these 2 old girls that have both done over 10,000 hrs
View attachment 853498
I didn’t buy them new. I bought them 4 years ago and they have both been pretty reliable.
The 8340 is 1995 and the 7740 is 1993.
You get a few problems mostly with oil pressure sensors that start to leak, but are easily replaced.
Both are SLE models and it is good practice to recalibrate the gear changes every year.
The engines are bomb proof.

I replaced a couple of old Masseys (3080 and a 6180) with them that were quite unreliable despite having many 1,000’s of hour less.

These Fords/NH’s are my pride and joy and I actually prefer driving these than my main 2 tractors.

EDIT
Both were Dyno tested a couple of years ago and found to be well over the rated Horsepowers by 10 - 20 HP
Every other make bar JCB that were tested that day were well under what they were supposed to be.

Nice fleet you have

 

[Spear]

Valmet 705 1987 24000 ish hrs. Clock stopped for a while the started again.
Done last 8k on diet feeder.

Set of front ujs, brake pipe, a pto clutch pack, brake slave cylinder sealsx3. Engine had new liners and rings at 9k because we thought it would need them(was wrong).
New seat.

Valtra 8050. S reg. 14k

New air con unit, hydraulic pump,pto main bearing. New linkage stabilisers. Slave and master brake cylinder seals. 4wd clutch pack.