10,000 hour plus tractors

[simon-0116]

Tm155 mxm owners, do you find that are a bit light for cultivating work. Our seems to skip / slid on back end on 5m carrier compared to mx 110.

 

[Cowabunga]

Isn't range command A simple gear box in the sense v the power command when it comes to maintaining it ?

Both are generally similar except that power-command has an extra clutch pack giving powershift between 6th and 7th and 12th and 13th. Not sure about reverse.
I would argue that robotised synchronisers, as fitted to range shifts and forward/reverse on Range Command is mechanically more complex than most full powershifts like Power Command. There is nothing simple about Range Command.

 

[oil barron]

Both are generally similar except that power-command has an extra clutch pack giving powershift between 6th and 7th and 12th and 13th. Not sure about reverse.
I would argue that robotised synchronisers, as fitted to range shifts and forward/reverse on Range Command is mechanically more complex than most full powershifts like Power Command. There is nothing simple about Range Command.

there simple to operate.

power command has a clutch pack for forward / reverse aswell giving a true no loss of drive power shuttle.

range command is mechanically more complex, but cheeper to repair (synchros and selector rods vs clutch packs.)

 

[Cowabunga]

there simple to operate.

power command has a clutch pack for forward / reverse aswell giving a true no loss of drive power shuttle.

range command is mechanically more complex, but cheeper to repair (synchros and selector rods vs clutch packs.)

Synchros, cheaper to repair? All other things being equal synchros are more complex, more complex to repair and need repairing more often than clutch packs. Besides which they also need clutch packs in order to disengage drive to shift the synchros and re-engage drive. The synchros themselves are hellish expensive even before any repairs to selectors etc.

 

[tinto]

We have a Fergie 7718 on a 66reg with 8900 hrs which will hit 10,000 hrs probably around May.
The tractor is on a feed wagon and slurry whisk or pump ,still on original tyres and with a backend thats hardly used so at 10,000 hrs
I'm sure could be a reasonable buy at the right price.
Tinto

 

[davedb]

I’ve got these 2 old girls that have both done over 10,000 hrs
View attachment 853498
I didn’t buy them new. I bought them 4 years ago and they have both been pretty reliable.
The 8340 is 1995 and the 7740 is 1993.
You get a few problems mostly with oil pressure sensors that start to leak, but are easily replaced.
Both are SLE models and it is good practice to recalibrate the gear changes every year.
The engines are bomb proof.

I replaced a couple of old Masseys (3080 and a 6180) with them that were quite unreliable despite having many 1,000’s of hour less.

These Fords/NH’s are my pride and joy and I actually prefer driving these than my main 2 tractors.

EDIT
Both were Dyno tested a couple of years ago and found to be well over the rated Horsepowers by 10 - 20 HP
Every other make bar JCB that were tested that day were well under what they were supposed to be.

Something worth remembering is the 40 series clock hours 20% faster that the fergys of the same era my old boss ran a 7840 and a Mf 6190 side by side and found the Mf clocked two hours less in the same ten hour day

As for high hours I’ve got a Mf 3630 on 10k plus and a matbro tr250 the 7480 is on 9200 so getting there

 

[Full of bull(s)]

Nearly sweet sixteen and never been touched......I wish ?

 

[Baker7810]

Ts 115 at home just over 11,000 and three 7920’s at work in NZ 2 on 12500 hours and one on 16500.

 

[vantage]

Synchros, cheaper to repair? All other things being equal synchros are more complex, more complex to repair and need repairing more often than clutch packs. Besides which they also need clutch packs in order to disengage drive to shift the synchros and re-engage drive. The synchros themselves are hellish expensive even before any repairs to selectors etc.

You won’t be a fan of the new Dynamic Command gearbox on the T6 NH range then?
My contractor got rid of his JD 6195R with the direct drive gearbox, as he was most concerned that if it broke it could be a massive repair bill, traded for an autopower.

 

[Vernon]

I doubt whether there was actually any difference in power. My 8360 has always put out 144hp at the shaft. Way more than advertised and not tweaked. Pulling slurry tankers up the same hills it goes at exactly the same speed as my Titan, which is 160 at the shaft and the vario MF which is 177 at the shaft.
This suggests that the Range Command transmission is really quite efficient on the road, even when all the tractors are pulled down to 13kph by the load. I'm very pleased with the NH and it still goes like new.

8360 we had was just the same. Performed well above what it should have done and never really suffered much trouble either. Left us with 13500 hours under its belt.

 

[Cowabunga]

You won’t be a fan of the new Dynamic Command gearbox on the T6 NH range then?
My contractor got rid of his JD 6195R with the direct drive gearbox, as he was most concerned that if it broke it could be a massive repair bill, traded for an autopower.

I do think, and have said it often enough before, that the potential long term repair costs of those twin clutch twin shaft robotised synchro power-shift sequential gearboxes, such as those two mentioned, will be horrendous.
Unfortunately I think that AGCO are going to go the same way at some point in the near future. Bad move in my opinion. Too many moving and wearing parts moving too often, often needlessly in the background without the driver ever knowing what was going on........ down there ?

 

[Trent6930]

Just done 13000 hours, 50k autopowr

 

[daveydiesel1]

View attachment 893622Just done 13000 hours, 50k autopowr

Ever had to replace tranny?

 

[glasshouse]

I doubt whether there was actually any difference in power. My 8360 has always put out 144hp at the shaft. Way more than advertised and not tweaked. Pulling slurry tankers up the same hills it goes at exactly the same speed as my Titan, which is 160 at the shaft and the vario MF which is 177 at the shaft.
This suggests that the Range Command transmission is really quite efficient on the road, even when all the tractors are pulled down to 13kph by the load. I'm very pleased with the NH and it still goes like new.

I bought an ex hire 8560 at 6 months old
The dealer checked it on the dyno snd it was doing 240hp
He turned it down?
When the box went on that at 5000 hrs i bought a tm165 off hetton estates @400 hrs as persimmon had Just bought it traded twenty odd fords for jd
that 165 range command was a great tractor, they never should have stopped making them

 

[Cmoran]

2007 6620se 20000+ hours clock is stopped with few years only done pistons and rings and reconditioned turbo 3 years ago was all preventative maintenance have reconditioned pto pack twice just broken bolts both times luckily!!
2006 6920 11000hrs don’t have it long but no problems
2002 Case CVX 170 10000+ hrs no problems
2013 6150r 9000hrs only pto pack trouble
2011 6330 9000hrs Bullett proof
All front line tractors really only need 4 most of the time like to have 1 spare Incase something goes wrong!!! Had a new deutz that broke our heart from the start got the 6920 to replace it!!

 

[tr250]

i would argue if it been on a diet feeder its a fairly easy life not representing a typical 10000 hrs, others may disagree.

Yes depending on driver of course but our McCormick has done nearly 10500 ish and is immaculate probably 6000 of those hours on the feeder. But I was saying to a friend yesterday who’s recently has a turbo go on a mainly hedge cutter tractor that the feeder is the best job for a tractor enough work to really stretch her legs but not thrashed all day long

 

[Trent6930]

Ever had to replace tranny?

Had a new trans at 1500 hours, and a trans pump at 12000 hours which isn’t a biggy

 

[Dog Bowl]

Ive been looking at a 6130R that is 2 years old and advertised for mega wonga. I'm now thinking about going down the route of 2 classics, say 6430 and a 6930 deere, and get both for similar money to the 6130R. Both the 30 series ive seen are 6500hrs or thereabouts, both 12 plates so one of the last, but both very tidy. Am I seriously mad?!

 

[kiwi pom]

Ive been looking at a 6130R that is 2 years old and advertised for mega wonga. I'm now thinking about going down the route of 2 classics, say 6430 and a 6930 deere, and get both for similar money to the 6130R. Both the 30 series ive seen are 6500hrs or thereabouts, both 12 plates so one of the last, but both very tidy. Am I seriously mad?!

Depends. Who's fixing them if they go wrong?
They could be fine and give no bother or in 12 months time they could both have needed engine or transmission work.
Pay someone that knows them inside out to check them both over for you before you buy.

 

[Enry]

i would argue if it been on a diet feeder its a fairly easy life not representing a typical 10000 hrs, others may disagree.

I would say it represents varied work, pulling loads, pto, hydraulics, electrics and brakes in full use daily. Also overall reliability would have to be good for it to be kept - breakdowns would not be good with cattle to feed.