Steve Isaac Bargh has his pickup on a 5th wheel for his cattle crush
5th wheel pickup and trailer
- Thread starter smcapstick
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smcapstick
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- Kirkby Lonsdale
Post a picture of it if you see him
ollandroverman
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- nr Kendal (The Lake District)
Definetly possable, and definetly legal. Just the cost is an unknown.
I have been hankering after just such a solution for upping my trailer weights behind my Land Rover 130 (with the aformentioned 7ton train weight) for several years, i just dont have as much a need as simon @smcapstick so never looked into ££££ required.
Search ebay for "mini artic" and you can often find comercial vehicle examples.
I have been hankering after just such a solution for upping my trailer weights behind my Land Rover 130 (with the aformentioned 7ton train weight
) for several years, i just dont have as much a need as simon @smcapstick so never looked into ££££ required.Search ebay for "mini artic" and you can often find comercial vehicle examples.
smcapstick
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- Kirkby Lonsdale
The cost being unknown is the bugger. Also, when you come to change vehicle there is more cost. Ohhh, so many PROBLEMS!
ollandroverman
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- nr Kendal (The Lake District)
I suppose a phone call to 5th Wheel Co could be fruitfull and see what they say/pick their brains.
Propper coupled brakes would be wonderfull but could be a fair expence, but i guess could be transfered to other vehicles when you changed.
Propper coupled brakes would be wonderfull but could be a fair expence, but i guess could be transfered to other vehicles when you changed.
Isaac had his pick up out on air so the rear is on air bags and the crush is on air brakes
ollandroverman
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@smcapstick
Which company made the flush-to-floor ball coupling you showed a pic of?
That is exactly what i need!
Which company made the flush-to-floor ball coupling you showed a pic of?
That is exactly what i need!
Sheep
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- Northern Ireland
Tachograph, CPC and operators license is required I think! Provided the train weight doesn't exceed 7 tonnes.
Bit of a grey area to find out about tbh as there is very little info on the internet about it, but that's about all I can decipher from it. I reckon you could have it so you could have a 3.2t payload on a flat trailer roughly. Not sure about braking though?!
Bit of a grey area to find out about tbh as there is very little info on the internet about it, but that's about all I can decipher from it. I reckon you could have it so you could have a 3.2t payload on a flat trailer roughly. Not sure about braking though?!
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- Bedfordshire
So if you were carrying your own goods, with a fifth wheel, you could tow 4.5 t and still be under the 7 t so no tacho.
no tacho if your carrying your own goods over 3.5t don't think so
As far as I can make out,I'd just need a 110 double cab with an auto box and a decent engine.
If you use a smaller vehicle (eg a 4x4) for towing, you’ll only need a tachograph if its total weight is more than 3.5 tonnes.there are exemptions
- Vehicle was manufactured prior to 1 January 1947
- Vehicle is over 25 years old and is not used commercially for carriage of goods
- Vehicle is not capable by design of exceeding 40km/h under its own power on level road
- Vehicle is not over 7500kg GVW or is part of a combination of vehicles not over 7500 kg combined GVW which is not used commercially for carriage of goods
- Vehicle is not over 7500kg GVW or is part of a combination of vehicles not over 7500 kg combined GVW which is used to carry materials equipment or machinery for the driver s use in the course of his work within a 50 km radius of base and where driving is not the driver s main activity
- Vehicle is not over 7500kg GVW or part of a combination of vehicles not over 7500 kg combined GVW which is propelled by natural or liquefied gas or electricity and is used within a 50 km radius of base
- Vehicle is used in connection with sewerage, flood protection, water, gas or electricity maintenance services, road maintenance or control, door-to-door refuse collection or disposal, telegraph or telephone services, radio or television broadcasting or detection of radio or television receivers
- Vehicle is used by or on behalf of a relevant NHS body or other authorised body to transport organs, blood, medical supplies or equipment
- Vehicle is a specialised vehicle used for medical purposes
11. Vehicle is used by coastguard or lighthouse authorities
12. Vehicle is used by harbour authorities for improvement, maintenance or management purposes within harbour limits
13. Vehicle is used by an airport authority within airport perimeters or used on roads inside hub facilities such as a port, interport or railway terminal
14. Vehicle is operated by British Railways Board, a Crown railway network licence holder, Transport for London or a local authority or PTE for railway maintenance purposes
Who's rewarding me? I need that round baler to clear up the lawn clippings
When you sell it delivered. And your company name kind of give the game away with 'Plant Trading' in it.
Not saying I agree with it (the Law).
Had a demo plough delivered. Company rep had a tacho in his truck.
- Location
- Bedfordshire
So of any train weight is over 3.5t then it needs a tacho?
- Location
- Bedfordshire
2.4 puma, why would you want to wreck it with an auto?
Roger Perry
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A goose neck trailer such as you are proposing for farm and general use is much better on a ball than a mini fifth wheel, the ability to pivot side to side/front back is greater with the ball...from memory I think the ball is two and a quarter inch.
The plate that carries the ball is bolted/braced under the bed, just a hole cut in the bed to access the ball...many are flip over so out of sight when not in use.
You could go all the way and remove the pickup bed and install a flatbed. far more durable and easier to load/unload, here Ford whoever will supply the truck, bed delete so you save the expense of buying a bed you do not need.
There is also a safety chain anchor point at the side of the ball.....................one last point, don't forget to lower the tailgate while un-hitching.
A quick Google of goose neck trailers will line you out.
The plate that carries the ball is bolted/braced under the bed, just a hole cut in the bed to access the ball...many are flip over so out of sight when not in use.
You could go all the way and remove the pickup bed and install a flatbed. far more durable and easier to load/unload, here Ford whoever will supply the truck, bed delete so you save the expense of buying a bed you do not need.
There is also a safety chain anchor point at the side of the ball.....................one last point, don't forget to lower the tailgate while un-hitching.
A quick Google of goose neck trailers will line you out.
Sheep
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- Northern Ireland
So of any train weight is over 3.5t then it needs a tacho?
If the trailer weight is over 3.5t it will need a tacho (which is illegal on most other than with a 4 pin towbar) but I'm not sure how this stands when you use a fifth wheel since you are incorporating the bed weight. This is the sort of stuff which is hard to find out
IMO a fifth wheel or ball hitch in the back of a pickup is much safer anyway and there shouldn't be as many silly laws regarding it like tachograph, CPC etc. It will have better braking, better weight distribution and shorter overall length than a bumper towed trailer.