A different blackgrass approach

[Feldspar]

Festivals are the thing I'm told.............

Do you think you're allowed to electric fence the ravers in and then move them regularly to evenly trample the field. From what little I know about festival goers, they'd probably defecate evenly over the space too. If moved in a mob tightly enough, it would give the litter pickers enough before they revisited the same spot again some time later. @martian - have I got the concept right?

 

[Feldspar]

ETA: given the amount of drugs the would probably have taken, I think @Simon C would probably say that any organic return to the soil is unlikely to benefit the soil biology. Worms on LSD anyone?

 

[Flat 10]

ETA: given the amount of drugs the would probably have taken, I think @Simon C would probably say that any organic return to the soil is unlikely to benefit the soil biology. Worms on LSD anyone?

Worms on speed probably do a whole 'hole' lot more cultivation..............

 

[Tim May]

You've got the right idea anything you can do on the same bit of land that is complementary to the system.

 

[franklin]

Some may be excited at the chance of all that potential metal detecting.

 

[clbarclay]

I mentioned on another thread, to mob festival you would just need too move the music around, shouldn't be much need for fencing. Place the band/DJ on a slow moving trailer?

Organic ravers are a very rare bread.

 

[turbo]

Did anybody else see the new chemical on bayer stand for blackgrass,I know it's not new chemistry but the results looked good.just wondering what it was as I only saw it on my way home and didn't get to speak to anyone.

 

[franklin]

 

[Tractor Boy]

Did anybody else see the new chemical on bayer stand for blackgrass,I know it's not new chemistry but the results looked good.just wondering what it was as I only saw it on my way home and didn't get to speak to anyone.

I wouldn't get too excited, it's a tweak of Atlantis ingredients in a slightly different formulation with DFF! It might give 23% control instead of 22!

 

[willy]

I think this is a really bad year for black grass, next year will most likly be alot better.......but it has taught me a valuable lesson...dont get complacent. I really thought i had made inroads, but i hadnt a few years of low dormancy had given me a false sense of security.

So now i know theres a big up hill struggle, starting with more spring cropping, lower disturbance and basically start farming without even thinking about atlantis. So if i think it would be a good winter wheat but will neeed atlantis it will now become spring wheat

 

[franklin]

I wouldn't get too excited, it's a tweak of Atlantis ingredients in a slightly different formulation with DFF! It might give 23% control instead of 22!

They also had the new pre-em on show. Due for us autumn 2017. Do you want to know what's in it?

 

[turbo]

They also had the new pre-em on show. Due for us autumn 2017. Do you want to know what's in it?

Go on then put us out our misery

 

[franklin]

Dont think it was a secret - one of the Bayer staff on the BG stand told me infront of a group of other farmers, and another Bayer chap who was showing their OSR crops told me to. Perhaps should run it by @Ian at Bayer to give us the lowdown?

 

[Flat 10]

They also had the new pre-em on show. Due for us autumn 2017. Do you want to know what's in it?

Sencorex? Metribuzin the active?

 

[glasshouse]

Some are ploughing, some are min tilling, the only one I've seen try direct into grass has failed, probably as he tried wheat not beans or similar but he's.
Within a couple Years it's back as bad as before.

Not ploughing every 4 wks, no.
I took on clean land, I know it was clean as it was 40+ years in grass.
It's not infested yet, but it has patches here and there. I'm trying to spray the worst out. That's only 5 years in, there will only have been the odd seeds drop out the combine, or off machinery to start this. There will be a lot more in a fallow, no matter how often you ploughed and started fresh.
The other issue of course is cost, to get a seedbed in the type of ground that blackgrass loves is very expensive, be well over £150/ha here. So to do that every 4 wks, which you couldn't anyway, I reckon you'd manage August, September and October, then be off it till at least the following April, may, June, july.
I'm keeping an eye on a neighbour I spray for, he's got bg badly. He done stubble turnips. The lambs turned the top 6 inches to slurry over winter it was so wet. He the Claydon drilled peas in mid may. He's now got Claydon drilled oats in tgere drilled 12th may. There's not a huge amount of bg there yet.

you dont need to plough, just a pass with a set of discs or pigtail, and the more you do it, the easier it becomes, i have done it in the past to get rid of organic couch.

 

[franklin]

Sencorex? Metribuzin the active?

Yup.

Has been discussed on here recently as I know they use it in wheat in the USA. It was nice to know what quantity of active will be used though.

 

[Ian at Bayer]

Dont think it was a secret - one of the Bayer staff on the BG stand told me infront of a group of other farmers, and another Bayer chap who was showing their OSR crops told me to. Perhaps should run it by @Ian at Bayer to give us the lowdown?

Thanks Static, yes we are hoping to launch a new cereal residual herbicide in 2017. Full details will of course be released nearer the time of launch, definitely a case of `watch this space`

 

[Oat]

Sencorex? Metribuzin the active?

I am guessing a formulation of metribuzin with flufenacet with +/- DFF

 

[Flat 10]

I think this is legal, but what do people think about a standard pre-em stack eg FFCT + pdm + dff followed by more FFCT in the early spring? I often walk fields late February to see if Atlantis is required, decide no and get a load of late germinators. I'm aware it's only a sticking plaster but it might help.

 

[Feldspar]

I think this is legal, but what do people think about a standard pre-em stack eg FFCT + pdm + dff followed by more FFCT in the early spring? I often walk fields late February to see if Atlantis is required, decide no and get a load of late germinators. I'm aware it's only a sticking plaster but it might help.

We did that but with a second generic flufenacet in the autumn rather than the spring. It's difficult to assess how much difference it actually did.