Access to home via farm track

[Dry Rot]

If the farmer has sold a house, it is not unreasonable to assume there is access to it. But possibly I am assuming too much and Highlander would buy a house he can't gain access to....

What we don't know is the standard of the access that was agreed. That should be in the deeds which Highlander implies he has knowledge of. Please enlighten us.

 

[Highland Mule]

If the farmer has sold a house, it is not unreasonable to assume there is access to it. But possibly I am assuming too much and Highlander would buy a house he can't gain access to....

What we don't know is the standard of the access that was agreed. That should be in the deeds which Highlander implies he has knowledge of. Please enlighten us.

I have no knowledge beyond that shared by the OP - that the landowner remains partially at least responsible for maintaining the access to an undefined (in this thread) standard. It’s not me who’s claiming to have inside information (that he has no such responsibilities to the OP) - it would appear that Betweenthelines is though.

 

[Lazy Sod]

It seems that @betweenthelines, and some other posters, are reading too much between the lines.

 

[toquark]

can't believe this thread is still alive

I was thinking the same thing.

 

[Skintagain]

Offer the cash to buy the track or move. It’s the bottom line.

 

[betweenthelines]

I have no knowledge beyond that shared by the OP - that the landowner remains partially at least responsible for maintaining the access to an undefined (in this thread) standard. It’s not me who’s claiming to have inside information (that he has no such responsibilities to the OP) - it would appear that Betweenthelines is though.

As we do not have sight of the Deeds, I suggest you rephrase the above to "that the OP claims the landowner remains partially at least responsible for maintaining the access....."

Don't believe everything you see on the internet

 

[Highland Mule]

Don't believe everything you see on the internet

I don’t - but I trust the OP to have more knowledge of the situation than you do, and my post above already states that it is based on information that this has been shared by the OP, so needs no such additional caveat thanks.

 

[kiwi pom]

I think everyone is forgetting that the OP came here not to complain that the farmer hadn't maintained the track as he should have, but to complain that he wouldn't allow a fence to be erected to keep sheep (and their dastardly poo) off of it, oh, and just coincidentally allow the OP free access to their property without having to open and close a gate each time. In the first post the issue of the track maintenance had been sorted, the OP had done it, and the farmer was happy with the work done. That wasn't the issue. The sheep poo (apparently) was.

The issue of the maintenance is really irrelevant to this thread, it will be covered by the deeds, if the farmer has a clear obligation to maintain the track to a standard for domestic vehicles then he should be held to that. More likely I suspect the deeds will give the responsibility to maintain without making any comment as to what standard. And as such its then a case of 'Well if you want a domestic driveway, you pay for it, I'm more than happy with what is there.'

I think the OP asked a reasonable question as they weren't from a farming background and didn't understand how outrageous having a drive fenced off would be. Now they know.
I'm from a dairy farming background and can't get my head round the fact that many of you would rely on a neighbour or their visitors to close a gate in order to keep stock secure in the paddock.
So that's at least two of us that have learnt something from this thread.
There's no such thing as a stupid question

 

[suffolksmallholder]

I'm not reading through all the posts as I'm off to bed shortly but I will say one thing; Welcome to country life. Enjoy what you do and simply enjoy being at the end of the lane. I love the spray marking idea. Tree paint comes in a fantastic variety of colours and this means you could have a weekly/monthly colour scheme for rescued sheep. Live with sh!t-on-the-tyres and live with a crappy old motor! If you have a stupid suburban X5 then that's your problem.
My father sold a picturesque chocolate box cottage residence in a 5 acre plot 30 years back. £1 mil. London folk bought, who instantly moaned about the condition of the 1/2 mile track. Ten years on the property was sold for the fifth time and the then owners laid tarmac the whole way up to the cottage. Sorted. Great for timber tugs, no potholes & everyone happy.
SS

 

[Ffermer Bach]

thinking about it, unless the landowner has a yard or buildings at the end of the track (somewhere near the house), I would be very surprised if he has any obligation to maintain the track, I would presume he would just have an obligation to provide access.

 

[Robt]

I’ve not read all the posts - too little time - but here is a Top Tip, never p155 off a farmer when it’s his track/drive/property - nobody takes kindly to it.

But “his” track that he/she ha sold a house / plot of land at end of.
@PAAB. There are some grumpy twunts on here. I guessed you were a lady as you were far to kind to the rude posts.
my suggestions.
1) finish the track by getting 50 ton of road plannings then roll. This will help the sheep poo not picking up on your tyres .
2) invite your farmer neighbor for a chat at a date that suits you both
3) cancel the solicitor’s number from your phone
4) at worst offer to pay for a cattle grid
5) forget the small things, life is too short to worry about sheep pop! ( say that back to yourself )
6) please don’t leave this forum!
kind regards
Rob t

 

[Henarar]

Not sure road plannings are the best thing, some will soften when its hot and roll down hard others seem to just stay like gravel and wash out,
Potholes in old stone tracks can be a pain to fill as stuff seems to wash back out again and it don't seem that the plannings have gone to hard in this case.

Perhaps putting forward some solutions may be a good idea rather than arguing over the problems.
The farmer has said she can fill the potholes so whats the best thing to fill them with?

 

[theboytheboy]

I would suggest don't add any more material to the track without sorting out a really good camber to let water away...I would suggest that will cause more potholes than the poo

 

[Ukjay]

I posted in capital letters on page 4 of this thread as the OP seemed (and still does) totally incapable of grasping the basic facts (bought property knowing access was across a field and if farmer doesn't want to change anything he is not obliged to) despite several other posters pointing out the same thing. This after the OP claimed that sheep droppings were causing the track to deteriorate!

As for my error in assuming the rest of the access was through a farmyard, I apologise. I do now wonder if this part of the access is across even more fields (God forbid!) or through a part of the farmer's property not currently used as a "farmyard" ? Whatever the exact term for the area that that part of the access crosses, my concerns about future complaints about this area remain.

Sadly, unlike @Ukjay my life experiences do not lead me to believe that everything anyone posts on the internet is 100% true accurate and without omission. I do know however, that it is not uncommon for people, when advancing an argument to omit relevant facts that are detrimental to their case. This is not an attack on the OP, just an observation.

The only things we know about this situation is what the OP has posted and we do not know how accurate that is.

Shame you cannot read, and again jump to innacurate conclusions!
Where have I said the OP is telling the full truth and the farmer isn't?

 

[tepapa]

Makes me laugh that some are still defending the maintenance of the track when from the snippets of facts we've had, yes the farmer may have some maintenance obligations, but the maintenance isn't really an issue as the house owner was happy to apply chippings to re do the track.

The issue is sheep sh!t on the track as apparently it needs picking up every morning. Now if the sheep sh!t is damaging the surface, which the house owner applied, who's in the wrong? The house owner for applying the wrong material or the sheep and its owner?

 

[Surgery]

It picks up on the tyres of the cars and attaches half the track to it. I'm not talking a few dollops here and there, its a bucket full each day

Put it around your roses

 

[Ukjay]

It seems that @betweenthelines, and some other posters, are reading too much between the lines.

Sadly when bitterness and hatred fill your life, any rational thinking goes out the window.

Many threads on here end up or even start with slating non farming people, somehow portraying that this industry is full of saints, and I often reflect back when reading the threads about not being able to keep staff etc, whilst interacting on threads like this.
Maybe the extremely long days working alone affect this kind of mindset, I do not know - but it is quite alarming that it is always everyone else's fault - never theirs.

For me, I can accept that there are good and bad in all walks, and I have found many individuals from all sectors looking to screw over the next person, and many on here will be no different but try to make out they are.

 

[Henarar]

Makes me laugh that some are still defending the maintenance of the track when from the snippets of facts we've had, that the farmer may have some maintenance obligations, but the maintenance isn't really an issue as the house owner was happy to apply chippings to re do the track.

The issue is sheep sh!t on the track as apparently it needs picking up every morning. Now if the sheep sh!t is damaging the surface, which the house owner applied, who's in the wrong? The house owner for applying the wrong material or the sheep and its owner?

Yep plannings wouldn't have been my choice for the job, unless they were free, something to chuck in the holes and hope

 

[Henarar]

Sadly when bitterness and hatred fill your life, any rational thinking goes out the window.

Many threads on here end up or even start with slating non farming people, somehow portraying that this industry is full of saints, and I often reflect back when reading the threads about not being able to keep staff etc, whilst interacting on threads like this.
Maybe the extremely long days working alone affect this kind of mindset, I do not know - but it is quite alarming that it is always everyone else's fault - never theirs.

For me, I can accept that there are good and bad in all walks, and I have found many individuals from all sectors looking to screw over the next person, and many on here will be no different but try to make out they are.

Many threads start or end up slating farming people, such is life and TFF

 

[Ukjay]

Makes me laugh that some are still defending the maintenance of the track when from the snippets of facts we've had, that the farmer may have some maintenance obligations, but the maintenance isn't really an issue as the house owner was happy to apply chippings to re do the track.

The issue is sheep sh!t on the track as apparently it needs picking up every morning. Now if the sheep sh!t is damaging the surface, which the house owner applied, who's in the wrong? The house owner for applying the wrong material or the sheep and its owner?

Not defending anything per se, but clarifying the incorrect assumptions made, along with the bitterness.
You may not agree, which is fine - not for me to say either wsy, but the fact remains - some on here are defending aggression towards someone who is obviously unsure of the full sp's of the property they aquired.

As with anything written on an open platform. It is open to different interpretation - but aggressivenes should never be condoned imho.