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Ey up @vaccarman what's my commission!?
you slipped up you did not ask that first , lolEy up @vaccarman what's my commission!?
Hi NewHolland, my name is Simon from Vaccar Ltd, just having a quick read through this thread and noticed your comment regarding your neighbor. We would be more than happy to come out and have a look at the system to ascertain what the issue may be and help in any way we can before he decides to change the system completely at what I can imagine would be a considerable cost. We believe in a Clusterflush system hugely so there is someone out there that is experiencing issues with it we would love to know. Judging by your location you are not very far away so we could come and assist your neighbor and maybe pay a visit to yourself at the same time to have a look at your parlour. If you would like to ask your neighbor to give us a call on 01600 716216 I'd be more than happy to discuss solving his issues.
With regards to pre-mixing in the tank, this is something that we used to do with our early system when it was a gravity feed. However a lot of areas experience issues with build up in the tank due to water hardness and the chemical pulling certain chemicals out of suspension in the water. After a lot of testing we soon decided to switch to a presurised system which has been hugely reliable and successful. The life of the internal diaphragms is now 3 years, sometimes longer so we are extremely happy as this reduces the service costs for our customers.
I hope this helps you with your decision, we are here if you need further information.
Better have a quote for a 16/16( soon to be a 24/24 ) de-Laval with harmony clusters batch system one would probably be the cheapest option?@Headless chicken we have been manufacturing and refining the Clusterflush for over 10 years now, longer than any other manufacturer. Our system is completely programmable for each individual farmer and setup. We have fitted our system to almost every type of milking parlour going and have solved every installation conundrum we have been faced with, whether it was a specific farmer request or setup issue. We make every effort to keep the system as cost effective as possible, if the shutoff on the parlour is strong enough why spend farmer money introducing another one for instance?
Rather than compare our system to others I prefer to sell our Clusterflush on the strengths of the system:
Regarding the system that you have experienced an issue with, even if it is the parlour we would be more than happy to take a look and see if we can resolve it, I'm sure it can be done.
- We don't interfere with your cluster, it simply returns from the cow in a different way,
- We tee into the milk line away from the business end of the parlour,
- If the is no milk sweep we are able to introduce one,
- If you prefer a batch flush system we can do it,
- Want a manual system? no problem.
- We have the largest flexibility over every other company offering the Clusterflush simply because we have installed the most and have faced every installation difficulty.
@newholland I think I am familiar with this installation and we have visited and resolved the issue however your point regarding the service items is good one and something I can look at ensuring we do better in the future. Farming Forum time should be part of my daily routine now!
@eulb We had a virus attack our catalogue section of our website so were forced to shut it down. We then had plans to produce a separate website for the shop section however this has been put on the back burner for the time being so we may fire up the old section soon, I will keep you posted. If you need something by all means do not hesitate to call though.
Hope that covers everything!
We sometimes buy your cluster flushing chemical. Why has the colour recently changed from a light blue to clear. It doesn't seem to be as frothy or as good?Hello,
I'm Charles from ClusterClean systems.
We specialise in building and installing flush systems. link
There's a lot to any flush or dip/flush system and some are better than others.
As mentioned above you need a good installer to get the best out of these systems.
We install most of our systems with our in house team so we know they are right, then stand behind it with a 2 year warranty.
The are systems that don't protect the milk line before they flush. There's nothing to stop flush solution can end up in the tank.
We always install a compressed air shutoff valve to clamp the milk tube before the milk meter to solve this. It costs more but it's worth it.
On the original question, the are some that dip & flush. We haven't built any dip systems because:
- They leave the cluster the usual way up, however only rinse half the liner.
- This leaves milk residue and any teat dip that has run down inside the liner before the cluster detaches in the bowl.
- So milk residue (cross infection risk/mastitis milk) is in the bottom of the liner & bowl ready for the next cow.
- Fragile from pipes down to the cluster and teat dip in the pulsation. Poor pulsation is the quickest way to a herd full of mastitis.
- 1 system uses compressed air to spray teat dip up the teat canal.
- Compressed air is very dangerous near any body/skin opening and can kill. It's called an air embolism. Is this improving cow health?
- Does anyone check the cows after they are milked and auto dipped? How do you know they are milked out and haven't got a hard quarter?
With a clean cluster for every cow, every milking - a well installed and serviced flush system can work wonders within a herd.
If you'd like a demo, we're in Hereford end of next week, we'd be pleased to help.
Thanks
Charles
ClusterClean
The chemical we use is called ClusterClean TM, just assumed it was made by you guys, apologies if not. It's not a peracetic acid but is an equivalent of it that lasts much longer once diluted in water. We've had brilliant results with it, just don't like the fact the new stuff doesn't froth up.@TheRanger
Hi
It's not actually our chemical we don't make it or sell it!
The are lots of chemicals now on the market, You can use any of them with our systems, we don't commit you to any chemical contracts.
We recommend 5% peracetic acid. We build our ClusterClean flush system to withstand it.
Its doesn't taint the milk & breaks down very quickly to food safe ingredients. It's got world wide approval in all food industries and works very well at very low dilution.
We take real pride in doing the job properly and safely on every farm, most of our business is from recommendations so we must be doing something right.
We don't take like to take any risks or shortcuts with your milk.
Charles
ClusterClean Systems
Sorry for the confusion, it's called ClusterFlushTM the stuff I'm talking about, not ClusterCleanTM!I'm glad its working for you, sorry it's not us.
We specialise in making really good flush systems .
@vaccarman whats the pros/cons of your system compared to the Cotswold system?
The cotswold system seems a very simple system with no solenoids to maintain.