An historic day for the UK......

[jendan]

Not sure I can make it that simple... but...

If public opinion is as the polls suggest, when there is a General Election Boris will win with a decent working majority. This being so and it also being so that a very large majority of retuning Tory MPs and virtually all of their PPCs are pro-Brexit, they plus the DUP could form a majority in the Commons to order the then PM, presumably Boris, to cease all negotiation with the EU until the NI matter is settled to the DUP / ERG way of thinking or, alternatively, No Deal, i.e. WTO.

This is what Letwin has been trying to avoid by his recent amendment, but, somewhat counterintuitively, he could be making it more likely. The Supremes have made it certain that a PM must follow the will of the Commons, Boris (if PM) will do so again if ordered; but, under the scenario I have described, he may not be reluctant to do so.

There is one person who may spoil your wet dream at the next election.N Farage.

 

[JCMaloney]

Both sides have to give a little to get this sorted out. Get the "leaving" out of the way.............. then sort out the divorce.
Farage will become a non-entity if Boris can say "The Conservatives have negotiated Brexit, we have left and will now drive the country forward".

Tory landslide and the Corbyn`s and Swinson`s in the wilderness where they belong.

 

[jendan]

Can you explain the last sentance for a halfwit like me ,tia

I thought at first,whats Diana Ross and her two mates got to do with it.

 

[jendan]

Both sides have to give a little to get this sorted out. Get the "leaving" out of the way.............. then sort out the divorce.
Farage will become a non-entity if Boris can say "The Conservatives have negotiated Brexit, we have left and will now drive the country forward".

Tory landslide and the Corbyn`s and Swinson`s in the wilderness where they belong.

Not neccesarily. Farage had adverts in the papers yesterday.The deal is not pure Brexity enough for him.

 

[The Agrarian]

Unpalatable as the deal is for Northern Ireland, the ability to get out of it in four years time (is that from now, or from end of transition) is very important. Can't stress that enough. Alliance, the side kicks of Sinn Fein, would never let it be done away with.

So we don't necessarily want Boris to have it all his own way. He has let Northern Ireland down.

 

[JCMaloney]

Not neccesarily. Farage had adverts in the papers yesterday.The deal is not pure Brexity enough for him.

The extremists on both sides can take a running jump in my humble. 3 wasted years must have proved that A: We Leave. B: We negotiate. Folk seem to have forgotten we are the 5th largest economy in the world. Get out and start getting our own house in order. That`ll do for a start.

 

[Danllan]

The extremists on both sides can take a running jump in my humble. 3 wasted years must have proved that A: We Leave. B: We negotiate. Folk seem to have forgotten we are the 5th largest economy in the world. Get out and start getting our own house in order. That`ll do for a start.

The thing is, while there are remainers (I think a fair majority) who, though really being sad to leave the EU, genuinely hope the UK will prosper once Brexit is completed; there are also some (a significant minority) who seem to truly want the UK to suffer because it won't be doing what they want.

 

[Boohoo]

Unpalatable as the deal is for Northern Ireland, the ability to get out of it in four years time (is that from now, or from end of transition) is very important. Can't stress that enough. Alliance, the side kicks of Sinn Fein, would never let it be done away with.

So we don't necessarily want Boris to have it all his own way. He has let Northern Ireland down.

The four years is from the end of the transition period, but it may as well be four hundred years because there'll never be a vote to loosen ties with the EU.

 

[Henarar]

https://www.facebook.com/583940102056554/posts/752721465178416

 

[MiJ]

The four years is from the end of the transition period, but it may as well be four hundred years because there'll never be a vote to loosen ties with the EU.

Nah, EU will be disbanded one way or another within 10:years.

 

[jendan]

The extremists on both sides can take a running jump in my humble. 3 wasted years must have proved that A: We Leave. B: We negotiate. Folk seem to have forgotten we are the 5th largest economy in the world. Get out and start getting our own house in order. That`ll do for a start.

We wont be 5th largest for much longer,thats for sure! They dare not even publish their own economic impact assessment.

 

[Mek]

The thing is, while there are remainers (I think a fair majority) who, though really being sad to leave the EU, genuinely hope the UK will prosper once Brexit is completed; there are also some (a significant minority) who seem to truly want the UK to suffer because it won't be doing what they want.

I find it hard to believe that any British citizen would want the UK to suffer. I am a staunch remainer because I don’t want the UK to suffer and I think leaving the EU would cause suffering. If the country suffers all its citizens suffer, both at home and abroad.

 

[Danllan]

I find it hard to believe that any British citizen would want the UK to suffer. I am a staunch remainer because I don’t want the UK to suffer and I think leaving the EU would cause suffering. If the country suffers all its citizens suffer, both at home and abroad.

You seem not to have noticed, or are immune to the petulance and spite of many remainer politicians and others.

 

[JCMaloney]

We wont be 5th largest for much longer,thats for sure! They dare not even publish their own economic impact assessment.

Who hasn`t published anything? A quick Google reveals that the Treasury have issued two long term forecasts.
The first, in April 2016, suggested that Brexit might reduce GDP/head over 15 years by between £1100 pa (if the UK were to remain in the EEA ) and £2100 pa if there were no negotiated settlement.
The second, in late 2018, suggested that the same factors might reduce GDP in the long term by 4.9 to 5.4% if the UK leaves on terms similar to those in the then draft Withdrawal Agreement.
And remember Osborne`s prediction of financial meltdown the day after the result? Nope, that never happened either.

The problem is that of uncertainty, markets don`t like it, investors don`t like it and that does more damage.

 

[Aircooled]

We wont be 5th largest for much longer,thats for sure! They dare not even publish their own economic impact assessment.

What do you mean we, I thought you were European ?

 

[Mek]

You seem not to have noticed, or are immune to the petulance and spite of many remainer politicians and others.

It could be that I’m immune because I haven’t noticed any politicians wishing harm to the country. All I’ve seen is politicians wishing for the best. Unfortunately there are many different opinions as to what that is.

 

[jendan]

Who hasn`t published anything? A quick Google reveals that the Treasury have issued two long term forecasts.
The first, in April 2016, suggested that Brexit might reduce GDP/head over 15 years by between £1100 pa (if the UK were to remain in the EEA ) and £2100 pa if there were no negotiated settlement.
The second, in late 2018, suggested that the same factors might reduce GDP in the long term by 4.9 to 5.4% if the UK leaves on terms similar to those in the then draft Withdrawal Agreement.
And remember Osborne`s prediction of financial meltdown the day after the result? Nope, that never happened either.

The problem is that of uncertainty, markets don`t like it, investors don`t like it and that does more damage.

Hedge fund managers and stock market gamblers love uncertainty,its how they make money! Johnson and co have not published their last economic impact assessment for this last withdrawal agreement.

 

[Danllan]

It could be that I’m immune because I haven’t noticed any politicians wishing harm to the country. All I’ve seen is politicians wishing for the best. Unfortunately there are many different opinions as to what that is.

Hmm... right at the top of my, and I suspect most others', opinion as to what is 'best' for the country, is it being a democracy. We've seen the video - in other threads - showing so many of the lovely remainer politicians assuring us that they would respect the 'once in a lifetime' referendum result... If you can think of any argument that successfully places the views of a few hundred MPs over those of a majority of the referendum poll and doesn't see democracy trashed, I'll be interested to read it.

We wont be 5th largest for much longer,thats for sure! They dare not even publish their own economic impact assessment.

Want to bet on that? You and a lot of others are going to look pretty daft and will be mincing a lot of words when the next few years proves you wrong. And, rather importantly, the EU won't be over-happy either since other countries will start thinking about leaving too.

 

[manhill]

The EU playing a blinder so far. Always tricky when your own players do not really want to be there - reminds me of Sanchez last few months at Arsenal. But wait until the Free Trade Talks get started - I think the EU will play another blinder. Be good to watch. hey ho.

Why should we be scared of trade talks with the EU. From what i can see (Macron/Angela), they're the ones running scared.

 

[JCMaloney]

Hedge fund managers and stock market gamblers love uncertainty,its how they make money! Johnson and co have not published their last economic impact assessment for this last withdrawal agreement.

There are extremists in every walk of life. I as referencing normal markets, shares, investment etc the choices normal folk make every day whilst running their businesses. Remember it is business that will deal with, and overcome, the obstacles this malaise has created.