Anderson Brexit Seminars

[Blod]

Today at the RAU in Cirencester. Scattered across England this week and next, Andersons are hosting Seminas on Brexit https://theandersonscentre.co.uk/seminars

Anyone else here today? It will be interesting to hear your thoughts.

 

[ski]

I have looked at their website, and the wording "likely impact on the farming industry" means they haven't a clue either. My cynical side says money making opportunity for Andersons, however it is always interesting to hear what others think though the price is steep at £145.

 

[Blod]

Take home message for me is that different sectors will have very different experiences of the tariffs applied to non-EU trading. Get as well informed as you can then make some decisions.

People are still bleating that it's "not fair". Well life is never fair, it's what you make of it. It's going to be messy and there will be opportunities. Take a long hard look at every aspect of your business and make sure it is fit for purpose.......NOW.

 

[Old McDonald]

Blod, I take it you are part of Andersons. If not you are doing a very good PR job for them. However, note the lack of response to your thread.

At this stage it is all guessswork. Why would anyone (apart from those being funded to attend) fork out the sort of money to go to a seminar where nobody has a clue what Mrs May's government has in mind for Brexit?

After the PM has laid out her plans for what she hopes, expects, and might achieve for the UK, then is the time for seminars to discuss the possibilities. Not now when those speaking cannot possibly know what the PM is looking for.

I would not attend for free, might consider it if I was paid enough and offered a good lunch into the bargain. No doubt others will shout me down.

 

[Muck Spreader]

Blod, I take it you are part of Andersons. If not you are doing a very good PR job for them. However, note the lack of response to your thread.

At this stage it is all guessswork. Why would anyone (apart from those being funded to attend) fork out the sort of money to go to a seminar where nobody has a clue what Mrs May's government has in mind for Brexit?

After the PM has laid out her plans for what she hopes, expects, and might achieve for the UK, then is the time for seminars to discuss the possibilities. Not now when those speaking cannot possibly know what the PM is looking for.

I would not attend for free, might consider it if I was paid enough and offered a good lunch into the bargain. No doubt others will shout me down.

Or maybe Andersons have been subcontracted in by the government to help develop the UK proposals for Brexit.

 

[Ashtree]

Best make a private session for TM and her cabinet. No two utterances coming from the team have been the same. They need to be locked in a room and forced to write
20 fools cap pages about Brexit..
Boris has gone AWOL on the issue. He's lucky he has Syria to make profound statements about.
The new Ag minister (who is she again?) .................. well has she actually said anything at all on the matter? Maybe something about bees and butterflies I recall!!
Liam Fox ................. said quite a bit actually but Teresa has to come out and remind the public that everything he has said is only his private opinion
Hammond .............. keeps siding up for the bankers and their passporting arrangements ............... clearly he's going to be offside when Brexit goals are on

The main man himself Davis needs after hours tuition. The step up from sidelines nobody water carrier to full blown minister has caused a bit of consternation. The simple matter of skipping blithely out the EU door and calling all of ones friends around the globe to hammer out a trade deal over a couple of weekends has turned out to require a bit of overtime ........... http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ropean-union-eu-tom-peck-sketch-a7239136.html

 

[Blod]

@Old McDonald I don't work for Andersons. I'm just informing myself as best I can. Yes it cost me to go and no they didn't tell us what to do. I do have a better grasp of the possible scenarios and timescale though. It is obvious that it is too soon for some to be proactive which is a shame as time is limited.

There are some things we can change and some we can't. Some we can influence. I'm just learning what my options are. However I am not up for a scrap so shall retire. If @admin would like to remove this thread then I should be grateful.

 

[Old McDonald]

Blod, You asked for our thoughts, I gave you mine. Others have given you theirs too. You sould have anticipated some negative feedback. No need to pull the thread.

We all need to be kept informed, but as many people have already pointed out on this forum, nobody yet knows what is likely to happen. Perhaps Andersons arranged these seminars expecting that Article 50 would have been triggered by now and information would have been available from the government. In that case they could have had some knowledge as to what was likely to happen. Mrs May is being very shrewd about it all, and rightly so.

 

[D14]

@Old McDonald I don't work for Andersons. I'm just informing myself as best I can. Yes it cost me to go and no they didn't tell us what to do. I do have a better grasp of the possible scenarios and timescale though. It is obvious that it is too soon for some to be proactive which is a shame as time is limited.

There are some things we can change and some we can't. Some we can influence. I'm just learning what my options are. However I am not up for a scrap so shall retire. If @admin would like to remove this thread then I should be grateful.

We have decided to do nothing after long deliberation because whatever you do, that you think you need to do today, could easily be wrong in 2 years time. Nobody and certainly no adviser like Anderson have any clue what the future holds. Even the government does not know. The rest of the EU does not know. So making pro-founding business decisions today or over the next few months could be wasteful. We have our business plan which was established some years ago and its been tweaked as we go along and thats where we will stay. We are not reliant on one aspect of agriculture and have spread our eggs around purposely over the last 15 years, and I think that is all we can do. When and if the time comes of a big change, it is only then you can decided where to go. We do have a general fed up ness of the industry though and I personally am not enjoying work at the moment.

 

[Henarar]

@Old McDonald I don't work for Andersons. I'm just informing myself as best I can. Yes it cost me to go and no they didn't tell us what to do. I do have a better grasp of the possible scenarios and timescale though. It is obvious that it is too soon for some to be proactive which is a shame as time is limited.

There are some things we can change and some we can't. Some we can influence. I'm just learning what my options are. However I am not up for a scrap so shall retire. If @admin would like to remove this thread then I should be grateful.

No need to get upset Flower @Blod and no need to remove the thread
Did they say anything new that may happen
really I am with the others that we can't plain to much but that doesn't mean that I am not taking account of what could happen

 

[Blod]

That's the whole point. Nobody knows! That shouldn't really make an awful lot of difference unless you intend to cease being involved in agriculture. It is going to make things tough, really tough for a while. Nobody knows how long yet everyone agrees that it will be tough.

I don't think any of us can sit about waiting to have it confirmed that we will have to fight for our share of each and every market. Yet every day I meet people bleating as they stumble towards the Unknown like lambs to slaughter. Now is the time to look really closely at every aspect of our businesses, to decide how far we can be pushed, if at all, and to find and support negotiators to state our arguments.

Who is your voice and do they know how you feel and what you want? Are you aware of the potential options such as the models for Norway and Canada and how they would impact you in your area of the industry?

There are some really good farmers though unfortunately fewer good businessmen and women out there. Those lucky enough to be both are up and running already. Get your trainers on and join the race. It's no time to be complacent.

 

[Blod]

We have decided to do nothing after long deliberation because whatever you do, that you think you need to do today, could easily be wrong in 2 years time. Nobody and certainly no adviser like Anderson have any clue what the future holds. Even the government does not know. The rest of the EU does not know. So making pro-founding business decisions today or over the next few months could be wasteful. We have our business plan which was established some years ago and its been tweaked as we go along and thats where we will stay. We are not reliant on one aspect of agriculture and have spread our eggs around purposely over the last 15 years, and I think that is all we can do. When and if the time comes of a big change, it is only then you can decided where to go. We do have a general fed up ness of the industry though and I personally am not enjoying work at the moment.

Sounds like you are out in front then. Unfortunately many are burying their heads in the muck heap.

 

[D14]

That's the whole point. Nobody knows! That shouldn't really make an awful lot of difference unless you intend to cease being involved in agriculture. It is going to make things tough, really tough for a while. Nobody knows how long yet everyone agrees that it will be tough.

I don't think any of us can sit about waiting to have it confirmed that we will have to fight for our share of each and every market. Yet every day I meet people bleating as they stumble towards the Unknown like lambs to slaughter. Now is the time to look really closely at every aspect of our businesses, to decide how far we can be pushed, if at all, and to find and support negotiators to state our arguments.

Who is your voice and do they know how you feel and what you want? Are you aware of the potential options such as the models for Norway and Canada and how they would impact you in your area of the industry?

There are some really good farmers though unfortunately fewer good businessmen and women out there. Those lucky enough to be both are up and running already. Get your trainers on and join the race. It's no time to be complacent.

Because nobody knows then you cannot say its going to be hard because you don't know. Your speculating from reading the media and listing to a consultancy firm who as somebody else already said could of been employed by the government.

Not leaving the EU is all around us. The heir-achy do not want to leave so mass media speculation to continue to worry us all into not leaving is still happening or a grand scale. On a daily basis there is stuff in print with suggestions about a part brexit on some things. Teresa May is just saying what she needs to say to get her position secured but when the time comes she is not a brexiter to we will see.

 

[GTB]

As is the case with the nfu Brexit consultation everything is up in the air and at best speakers are only speculating about what could or couldn't happen. I'm all for learning as much as possible about the situation but I'm not sure I'm desperate enough to pay to hear what consultants think just yet. If / when we have something definite to work with I may feel differently. Having said that, we taking a close look at our business this year to see what can be changed for the better hopefully making us better prepared for whatever the future may hold.

 

[Blod]

How about looking at all the different trade agreements already in place between the EU and nonEU countries? How they might influence policy if we were to adopt similar arrangements. We are fortunate to live in a democracy and ought to engage with the few people we have to speak on our behalf.

Does anyone think we will get more euros for our produce during the next 5 years?

 

[Blod]

As is the case with the nfu Brexit consultation everything is up in the air and at best speakers are only speculating about what could or couldn't happen. I'm all for learning as much as possible about the situation but I'm not sure I'm desperate enough to pay to hear what consultants think just yet. If / when we have something definite to work with I may feel differently. Having said that, we taking a close look at our business this year to see what can be changed for the better hopefully making us better prepared for whatever the future may hold.

What is definite is that we will be leaving. TM might hold off until April 17 to trigger article 50. Legally, the EU can cut us off on WTO terms if there is NO agreement within 24 months from that date.
If parliament can throw out a democratic referendum, what does that mean for future referendums?
I happen to think that most members of the public should never have been allowed anywhere near those particular ballot papers.

 

[Henarar]

How about looking at all the different trade agreements already in place between the EU and nonEU countries? How they might influence policy if we were to adopt similar arrangements. We are fortunate to live in a democracy and ought to engage with the few people we have to speak on our behalf.

Does anyone think we will get more euros for our produce during the next 5 years?

its not the trade agreements with the EU that I worry about its the ones with the rest of the world, we are in a very strong position with the EU re trade though that will not stop our government f**king it all up for us
Why euros ?

 

[Henarar]

I happen to think that most members of the public should never have been allowed anywhere near those particular ballot papers

what about other ballot papers ?
is this democracy just for the well informed or should we go back to it being just for the well bred ?

 

[Henarar]

or is it for everyone ?

 

[Blod]

what about other ballot papers ?
is this democracy just for the well informed or should we go back to it being just for the well bred ?

Euros because if you look at £ the exchange rate clouds the issue. And they won't be paying in £