Announcement Tomorrow on Banning Live Exports and More Restrictions On Domestic Journeys

[Ffermer Bach]

How then can giraffes legally be transported ?

 

[unlacedgecko]

How then can giraffes legally be transported ?

Sun roof

 

[Raider112]

They’ve not said but the implication must be that it does include market time

You may lead in to a market but the journey time advocated by the NGO’s (and sadly BVA now taken over by wokism ) would be the entire time from touching your tailboard to the last animal leaving the wagon at the destination . 9 hours would’decimate every suckler weaned calf in hill farming type districts and is just one example of clever folks with no farming experience coming up with “the rules”

How does a consignor or buyer know the time lapsed in other stages of “the journey”

I remember watching a TV programme about British cattle exports after the second world war, and it said one reason Herefords and Angus cattle got so short, was because a lot were exported to the rest of the world and it was all to do with the headspace between decks on the ships. Obviously if you got more money for a shorter animal for export, everyone bred shorter animals.

We'll all have to breed Angus and Hereford then or start killing cattle at 12 months. That would sort both the headroom problem and the large carcase problem.

 

[JP1]

We'll all have to breed Angus and Hereford then or start killing cattle at 12 months. That would sort both the headroom problem and the large carcase problem.

Supermarket spec still works against them and probably just mean they can import and without ascertaining any production standards

 

[delilah]

The wording says from the top of the head in its naturally held position so IF i was enforcing it I’d say from the tip of the horns in your example

There's a trip to Essex in the offing to get a 4 horned ram, if any clipboard police think we are taking a cattle trailer to haul one ram they can swivel.

 

[Paddington]

A lot of modern small hatchbacks won't give anything like 200 mm headroom, but then we're not animals.

 

[Ffermer Bach]

A lot of modern small hatchbacks won't give anything like 200 mm headroom, but then we're not animals.

right, no more transporting sheep in the boot then!

 

[Anymulewilldo]

right, no more transporting sheep in the boot then!

Depends on the sheep…
We will all be swapping too welshies!!

 

[beardface]

So if they move forward with these proposals and stick to the head room allowance then I'd need say a 9 or 10ft high box behind the pickup? Anyone else see issues regarding road safety and trailer tilt if stock move? Ball joint and drawbar is a little different at 50mph than a 5th wheel. Also you'd need a longer ramp to get a shallow enough angle to top deck so that means more trailers with expensive power ramps.

 

[ISCO]

Shetland ewes put to Beltex and Dexter cattle are the future!
The ram breeders will need to add another selection criteria to the muscle depth, growth rate etc. being leg length and neck length.

Seriously though, depending on implementation and policing, it will increase costs for all.
I hope it is not an indication of things to come in that on a sleety day at minus 5 the ones in the wagon will be warmer than the ones left on the turnips. Will they start demanding stock be housed in cold weather next?

 

[Anymulewilldo]

Shetland ewes put to Beltex and Dexter cattle are the future!
The ram breeders will need to add another selection criteria to the muscle depth, growth rate etc. being leg length and neck length.

Seriously though, depending on implementation and policing, it will increase costs for all.
I hope it is not an indication of things to come in that on a sleety day at minus 5 the ones in the wagon will be warmer than the ones left on the turnips. Will they start demanding stock be housed in cold weather next?

I thought I’d read that the lower temperature idea has been dropped and was not being pursued. Only the 30C upper limit is mentioned at length?

 

[holwellcourtfarm]

I thought I’d read that the lower temperature idea has been dropped and was not being pursued. Only the 30C upper limit is mentioned at length?

In hot weather would the internal temperature be measured stains or moving? The airflow through a moving lorry could help control temperature quite well.

 

[Anymulewilldo]

In hot weather would the internal temperature be measured stains or moving? The airflow through a moving lorry could help control temperature quite well.

I must admit when it gets too 25c plus I try not too handle the sheep much. But yes, moving makes a big difference! Soon heats up when that draught stops!

 

[Ffermer Bach]

Shetland ewes put to Beltex and Dexter cattle are the future!
The ram breeders will need to add another selection criteria to the muscle depth, growth rate etc. being leg length and neck length.

Seriously though, depending on implementation and policing, it will increase costs for all.
I hope it is not an indication of things to come in that on a sleety day at minus 5 the ones in the wagon will be warmer than the ones left on the turnips. Will they start demanding stock be housed in cold weather next?

I am more worried about those wild badgers left outside in the countryside all winter in the cold, we should catch and house them in the winter, actually I better not joke, these sort of jokes have a habit of becoming a reality!

 

[ISCO]

I thought I’d read that the lower temperature idea has been dropped and was not being pursued. Only the 30C upper limit is mentioned at length?

Yes, it reads as though they have for short journeys not over 8 hours. May be wrong on this but if they count journey time from loading on farm it may be a bigger problem than it first appears as you could soon be over the short journey limit.

 

[Anymulewilldo]

Yes, it reads as though they have for short journeys not over 8 hours. May be wrong on this but if they count journey time from loading on farm it may be a bigger problem than it first appears as you could soon be over the short journey limit.

Yes, that bit was clear as mud!

 

[holwellcourtfarm]

Yes, that bit was clear as mud!

I read it as dropped for short journeys (under 65km).

Clearly animals don't suffer heat or cold in that time....

 

[Anymulewilldo]

I read it as dropped for shirt journeys (under 65km).

Clearly animals don't suffer heat or cold in that time....

The only time I’ve EVER lost a sheep in the wagon die too heat was a lamb on a 10 minute ride from one farm back too the main holding. As usual the rules will be a farce

 

[beardface]

In theory if they make a farce of it then this could be the end of the store trade ( cattle and sheep).

 

[GeorgeK]

I am more worried about those wild badgers left outside in the countryside all winter in the cold, we should catch and house them in the winter, actually I better not joke, these sort of jokes have a habit of becoming a reality!

I don't think their burrows have 20cm headroom either. They should be filled in on welfare grounds and the badger responsible for digging them fined.