Any Future.

Bald Rick

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Anglesey
Been in the indrustry since i was 14 now 51. The constant bombardment from organisations, groups and people i ask myself is there any future in this indrustry?
Only if you like ever more regulation, pointless template filling and being filmed going about your business.

Personally I shall be glad to finally hand over completely to son and his sons.
May his god go with him
 
Been in the indrustry since i was 14 now 51. The constant bombardment from organisations, groups and people i ask myself is there any future in this indrustry?
Someone will have been asking that question for a hundred years or more.
There will be always folk up for any challenge that comes along. because there are a lot more shite occupations than being a farmer.
 

GeorgeK

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Location
Leicestershire
I'm pretty sure it's not going to get any easier, and anyone consistently struggling to see the upsides any more would be well advised to think seriously about what they want from life and if these goals can be met outside of farming.
Farming is going to change quite dramatically so carrying on as normal won't be an option. I'd say take a few steps back and look at the big picture of love, life and family, and the best way to make the most of them.
 

7610 super q

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Arable Farmer
Location
Crapweathershire
There'll be a future for folks like me who treat it like a hobby.:cool:
Hobby is slightly ruined when it comes to selling produce, but hey-ho.
Probably a future for big farming companies.
There also seems to be quite a few in the industry who get erotic feelings down loading and filling in Red Tractor templates. Not my bag, but each to their own.🤷‍♂️
 

jendan

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Someone will have been asking that question for a hundred years or more.
There will be always folk up for any challenge that comes along. because there are a lot more shite occupations than being a farmer.
The trouble is that you can get ground down eventually with endless inspections,both of your stock, paperwork,and farm itself.The RPA,BCMS,Environment Agency,Defra/Apha,and Trading Standards can all turn up at any time unannounced.If Dairy,the FSA as well.And then there is Red Tractor/other Assurance schemes,which you nearly have to be part of,to sell your produce. Add that to a malicious complaint,and it can soon turn you suicidal.
 
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Brisel

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Arable Farmer
Location
North Yorkshire
Been in the indrustry since i was 14 now 51. The constant bombardment from organisations, groups and people i ask myself is there any future in this indrustry?
Yes, if you are prepared to adapt to the changing business we are in. Stand still and you will be overtaken. We are at the beginning of the biggest period of change in UK agriculture since the end of WW2. That is either an opportunity or a threat, depending on whether your glass is half empty or half full.
 

puppet

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Livestock Farmer
Location
sw scotland
On a minute by minute or even weekly business farmers are not bombarded by paperwork and questions compared to most jobs. Try being a teacher or nurse as I am sure they just want to 'do their jobs' too. We are self-employed, mostly have a reasonable house and car and spend all our time in the country.
Or an hour on the 7-16 to Leeds every morning to sit in an airless room, endless reports and audits which you know nobody will ever read.
 

jamesy

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Location
Orkney
What gets me, and yes it’s a generalisation coming, is that in order to sustain human life there are 3 fundamental must haves. Clean air, clean water & food. As farmers we produce the one & help through good practice to maintain the others.

Given the above, we should be living like Kings, held in the highest regard by grateful public & governments. We should be at the top of the pyramid.

Some how we are at or near the bottom of an inverted pyramid, viewed with contempt by large sections of society, thought of as irrelevant by others. Successive governments pay us lip service while at the same layer on bureaucracy.

Things may change.
 

Macsky

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Highland
Been in the indrustry since i was 14 now 51. The constant bombardment from organisations, groups and people i ask myself is there any future in this indrustry?
Yes, as the lot you mentioned depend on it’s existence for their survival, which may be more important to them that our survival, but either way it works.
 
What gets me, and yes it’s a generalisation coming, is that in order to sustain human life there are 3 fundamental must haves. Clean air, clean water & food. As farmers we produce the one & help through good practice to maintain the others.

Given the above, we should be living like Kings, held in the highest regard by grateful public & governments. We should be at the top of the pyramid.

Some how we are at or near the bottom of an inverted pyramid, viewed with contempt by large sections of society, thought of as irrelevant by others. Successive governments pay us lip service while at the same layer on bureaucracy.

Things may change.
Indeed, things may change but as the old saying goes, it’ll get worse before it gets better
 

Hilly

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What gets me, and yes it’s a generalisation coming, is that in order to sustain human life there are 3 fundamental must haves. Clean air, clean water & food. As farmers we produce the one & help through good practice to maintain the others.

Given the above, we should be living like Kings, held in the highest regard by grateful public & governments. We should be at the top of the pyramid.

Some how we are at or near the bottom of an inverted pyramid, viewed with contempt by large sections of society, thought of as irrelevant by others. Successive governments pay us lip service while at the same layer on bureaucracy.

Things may change.
Subsidy has to take a large portion of the blame for driving us down the pyramid, created the more for less attitude among farmers and taken for granted that the shelves always full milk comes from a shop Attitude , this is what decades of subsidy has done.
 

GeorgeK

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Location
Leicestershire
My problem with all this eco welfare stuff is where does it end, does anyone seriously think the douchebags will ever be happy and move on? Stop using neonics and where does it get us, do they support our oilseeds - no instead what we can no longer grow is replaced with neonic treated imports and the douchebags move onto the next 'crime against nature' they would rather have carried out in another country so they can pretend it doesn't happen. Their influence continues to spread, the whinging continues and the regulations keep coming
 

delilah

Member
My problem with all this eco welfare stuff is where does it end, does anyone seriously think the douchebags will ever be happy and move on? Stop using neonics and where does it get us, do they support our oilseeds - no instead what we can no longer grow is replaced with neonic treated imports and the douchebags move onto the next 'crime against nature' they would rather have carried out in another country so they can pretend it doesn't happen. Their influence continues to spread, the whinging continues and the regulations keep coming
Then change the narrative. Make food miles the environmental issue. Find common ground with the environmental movement. I suggested to Guy Smith on here that he should meet with the ceo of FoE to explore such common ground, he replied that he didn't think he was important enough. P!ss poor attitude.
If there is 'any future' then it is through working with the envi movement, not through putting your wagons in a circle, because frankly we don't have enough wagons.
 

Rejuvenating swards: Which option is best?

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Written by Brian McDonnell

Maintaining grass quality during mid-season grazing is important. Farmers can maintain quality by entering ideal grazing covers of 1,300 – 1,500kg DM/ha, and grazing down to a residual of 4cm every rotation.

If you are now in a situation where cows are not cleaning out paddocks as well as they should be, leading to the development of steamy grass within the sward, here are some options.

Common options for rejuvenating swards include:

  1. Take a silage cut, probably into bales, remove the material and start again with the aftermath...
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