Anybody NOT t2-ing, t1-ing etc because of frosts
- Thread starter Zippy768
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In general? And yes it is compared to spring barley. TBF only grow OBM resistant varieties but we have seen in the past that's no defence against LBM.
got lbm a few years ago was a complete disaster. I like the simplicity of spring cereals but they are obviously more risky with weather. Winter wheat seems to need a lot of inputs
- Location
- Bedfordshire
Just something we have to live with. I had a good harvest last year despite what I would call significant damage in resistant and non-resistant varieties.
- Location
- Moreton-in-Marsh, Glos
I am not putting a T2 on my wheats.
The chemical companies have done a good job on most of us. In fact they have done a really good job on us!
Not helped by the farming press that also scare us into putting on stuff that we don’t need in a year like this. No sooner have we got a T1 on, that they start talking about T2 strategies.
My agronomist Keith and I have been entering our local Syngenta fungicide challenge for the past 10 years or so. Time after time it has proven that fungicides in a dry year like this one here are a waste of money, rarely getting back the cost. Yes, if we have a normal year, there is a return on our investment. And in a wet year that can be a very good investment.
So here we are having done a good job at T1, having stopped yellow rust and septoria, with virtually no rain since in the 3-4 weeks since it was done, crops as clean as a whistle and being panicked into putting a T2, just before the ears are coming out.
No thanks. It is very nearly the end on May and I’ll hold off till T3 in early June, to do the whole job in one go.
I’ll probably use Wolverine (metconazole, fluxapyroxad) and Vivid (pyraclostobin) and forget any multisite.
What is the point of spending on a clean crop that is obviously yield limited in a drought year like this anyway?
Honestly, the way we have all been duped, you’d think that unless we don’t put all these fungicides on, the crop will just curl up and die. It won’t!
Then we are persuaded that they only last 3 weeks. Which they also don’t!
Especially in a year like this.
The chemical companies have done a good job on most of us. In fact they have done a really good job on us!
Not helped by the farming press that also scare us into putting on stuff that we don’t need in a year like this. No sooner have we got a T1 on, that they start talking about T2 strategies.
My agronomist Keith and I have been entering our local Syngenta fungicide challenge for the past 10 years or so. Time after time it has proven that fungicides in a dry year like this one here are a waste of money, rarely getting back the cost. Yes, if we have a normal year, there is a return on our investment. And in a wet year that can be a very good investment.
So here we are having done a good job at T1, having stopped yellow rust and septoria, with virtually no rain since in the 3-4 weeks since it was done, crops as clean as a whistle and being panicked into putting a T2, just before the ears are coming out.
No thanks. It is very nearly the end on May and I’ll hold off till T3 in early June, to do the whole job in one go.
I’ll probably use Wolverine (metconazole, fluxapyroxad) and Vivid (pyraclostobin) and forget any multisite.
What is the point of spending on a clean crop that is obviously yield limited in a drought year like this anyway?
Honestly, the way we have all been duped, you’d think that unless we don’t put all these fungicides on, the crop will just curl up and die. It won’t!
Then we are persuaded that they only last 3 weeks. Which they also don’t!
Especially in a year like this.
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Spot on, we are being farmed!
- Location
- norfolk
As my agronomist said, if we're not going to cut chemicals and subsequently costs on a year like this then we never are.
Used up some Bravo with a bit of Epic added here last week. Even that may not have been needed but it's done now.
Have noticed they are peddling the line about the expensive sdhi's helping in drought conditions. I don't know if they do or don't but with the long range forecast i really wouldn't bother.
Used up some Bravo with a bit of Epic added here last week. Even that may not have been needed but it's done now.
Have noticed they are peddling the line about the expensive sdhi's helping in drought conditions. I don't know if they do or don't but with the long range forecast i really wouldn't bother.
- Location
- Moreton-in-Marsh, Glos
Thank you.
I simply cannot believe or understand how some many farmers are duped into spending money and panic every time it rains into wanting to get out there with a sprayer!
Any rain we now get from here to harvest will do infinitely more good than any harm any disease might give them.
I read In FW this week that they are now beginning to panic about Microdochium fusarium, when every indication is that June will be remain relatively dry and warm. FFS!
The scare mongering is ridiculous in the press now. I Read the farmers weekly in 5 minutes this week
no t2 here either
t1 was a waste of money, thankfully just cheap use up ctl and some teb only
only 120kgs N applied
gates shut until significant rain or harvest
it’s just “that” year, no bag of bottle will help so keep your cheque book shut is the right business decision imo
it should come with a health (wealth) warning on the cover !
We have cut back significantly but not completely. Crops still have potential. Ctl epoxi t1 and amistar opti t2.
- Location
- Moreton-in-Marsh, Glos
I’ve suggested it to you before @Clive, please could you buy it?
Then you can have 2 options;
1. Either shut it down completely and put us all out of our misery!
2. Turn it into something that is of much better use to us.
I like the farmer focus bits and I like some of the opinion writers. Ian piggot, will Evans and David alvis and Matt naylor stock their heads above the parapet. The other ones is generally just saying what farmers want to hear, basically we are great and everyone’s against us!
- Location
- Moreton-in-Marsh, Glos
Keeping the cheque-book shut is going to be the critical thing.
June and July are often problem months for cashflow on many arable farms. I get around this by deliberately waiting to take payment for our previous Rape harvest. But the harvest prospects this year are not looking to help Cashflow for most, if not all of next year.
The Rape harvest will be FA this year and I'm not growing it at all for 2021.
Blindly carrying on as usual, putting fungicides on any crop, just because we've always done so in the past is just about the most unbusinesslike decision anybody could make in any year, but especially this one!
it’s just changed hands so you never know it might improve
- Location
- East yorks
Our jan drilled stuff is still growing nicely. Fairly small but there is an ear there which is a bonus 
It's had nothing but a weed killer so far, flag is about half out so will hold and do a one shot everything. It's a clean as a new pin though. (Sundance and skyscraper)
It's had nothing but a weed killer so far, flag is about half out so will hold and do a one shot everything. It's a clean as a new pin though. (Sundance and skyscraper)
- Location
- Shropshire
Rather than do all those, could you not do Pixarro instead?
No reason other than saving a few quid. Pixxaro will do fumitory.
- Location
- S E Glos
I wouldn't worry, there are enough 'sheep' out there to blindly follow their distributor agronomist and apply full dose Revystar + folpet plus biostimulant plus trace element cocktails, to rescue their crops in this stressful time, maintain their (distributor's) margins and keep them in business.