Anyone hear Archie Norman Marks and Spencers on R4 this morning ?

[JP1]

Full Brexit checks risk becoming 'incendiary' in N.Ireland, M&S says

The introduction of full customs checks between Britain and Northern Ireland risks becoming "incendiary" when prices rise and favourite products fail to get through, one of the country's biggest retailers said.

www.reuters.com

Marks and Spencers wagons going to Northern Ireland typically have to have 3 booklets with 720 pages of documentation

M&S emply 30 vets currently not on food safety just form filling

Loads have been rejected / food to landfill just for forms filled in the wrong colour ink

Even butter has endless food chain documentation

Surely food packaging labelled "For sale in United Kingdom" and subsidiarity rules are the way forward ?

 

[neilo]

I’m not sure why we keep hearing about this ‘wrong colour ink’ business. It’s always been the case on export documentation, to try to prevent fraudulent copies being made. Customs agents have always been sticklers for paperwork too.

It might seem petty, but there’s no excuse for those 30 people that are supposedly solely filling forms in, to make that schoolboy error.

 

[JP1]

I’m not sure why we keep hearing about this ‘wrong colour ink’ business. It’s always been the case on export documentation, to try to prevent fraudulent copies being made. Customs agents have always been sticklers for paperwork too.

It might seem petty, but there’s no excuse for those 30 people that are supposedly solely filling forms in, to make that schoolboy error.

The error rate was a fraction of one per cent . If you're despatching a wagon with 720 pages and spot one error and copy one page I can see how it's done

Same with me exporting my bull to NI, it's still in my Country yet it's EU phyto sanitary guff. Got to stop. Don't like Cummings mentality but I think Lord Frost has got a point . This is craziness

 

[Boysground]

Chap who lives in my village is a self employed farm engineer. He does a fair bit of work for a company that exports tractors and machinery to Europe. The latest issue they have is incorrect paperwork for air con gas. It’s all nearly new kit so not the tyre of gas.

He is now being employed to remove the gas prior to export.

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[M-J-G]

The error rate was a fraction of one per cent . If you're despatching a wagon with 720 pages and spot one error and copy one page I can see how it's done

Same with me exporting my bull to NI, it's still in my Country yet it's EU phyto sanitary guff. Got to stop. Don't like Cummings mentality but I think Lord Frost has got a point . This is craziness

Cattle have always been subject to export regs and paperwork etc. even though its the same country.

I know of lorry loads of cattle that came from Denmark, Holland and Germany over the past 10 years and the first place they had problems was the docks at Larne.

 

[le bon paysan]

Full Brexit checks risk becoming 'incendiary' in N.Ireland, M&S says

The introduction of full customs checks between Britain and Northern Ireland risks becoming "incendiary" when prices rise and favourite products fail to get through, one of the country's biggest retailers said.

www.reuters.com

Marks and Spencers wagons going to Northern Ireland typically have to have 3 booklets with 720 pages of documentation

M&S emply 30 vets currently not on food safety just form filling

Loads have been rejected / food to landfill just for forms filled in the wrong colour ink

Even butter has endless food chain documentation

Surely food packaging labelled "For sale in United Kingdom" and subsidiarity rules are the way forward ?

EU suggested packaging marked for sale and use in UK only, could have a big union jack as well.
Frost rejected it!
Ask why.

 

[Y Fan Wen]

Gotta have a border somewhere. Where would you like it to be? M&S and the other s/markets have had plenty of time to realign their supply routes to Eire. Why have they not done so?
Leave means leave.

 

[le bon paysan]

I’m not sure why we keep hearing about this ‘wrong colour ink’ business. It’s always been the case on export documentation, to try to prevent fraudulent copies being made. Customs agents have always been sticklers for paperwork too.

It might seem petty, but there’s no excuse for those 30 people that are supposedly solely filling forms in, to make that schoolboy error.

All official forms here, hand filled, have to be black biro. Use blue and it's rejected.

 

[Ashtree]

So ROI car industry due to new VAT rules arising from Brexit, now saying that importing used vehicles from UK is no longer sustainable. Increase in VAT and admin costs, too much to bear. I expect ROI is a rather important outlets for UK used car industry. With ROI dealers now switching to direct imports from Japan as a viable alternative, that too will take a hit.

 

[cowboysupper]

Gotta have a border somewhere. Where would you like it to be? M&S and the other s/markets have had plenty of time to realign their supply routes to Eire. Why have they not done so?
Leave means leave.

With respect, that's easy for you to say. The NI Protocol was a sticky plaster to 'get Brexit done.' NI is now left with all sorts of complications for many industries trying to do business with GB, even though we're part of the same country.

Used to take a few days for us to get machinery parts from GB into NI. Now it's weeks and some companies won't do business at all with NI because of the paperwork. We're left trying to get parts from local dealers (who also can't get parts quickly) and are increasing prices. The machinery dealers in RoI know this too and have jacked their prices accordingly.

If I want to buy livestock in GB, I have to wait 40 days after I've purchased it before it can travel to NI. If I wanted to take livestock to GB to sell at the pedigree sales and some of them don't sell, I'd have to find a home for them for 40 days to get them home again. It's ridiculous we have some of the best traceability in the world and yet the movement of livestock 32 miles across the Irish sea has become so much more complicated than it used to be, despite the fact we're all part of the same Kingdom!

The Protocol needs fixed urgently.

 

[Y Fan Wen]

With respect, that's easy for you to say. The NI Protocol was a sticky plaster to 'get Brexit done.' NI is now left with all sorts of complications for many industries trying to do business with GB, even though we're part of the same country.

Used to take a few days for us to get machinery parts from GB into NI. Now it's weeks and some companies won't do business at all with NI because of the paperwork. We're left trying to get parts from local dealers (who also can't get parts quickly) and are increasing prices. The machinery dealers in RoI know this too and have jacked their prices accordingly.

If I want to buy livestock in GB, I have to wait 40 days after I've purchased it before it can travel to NI. If I wanted to take livestock to GB to sell at the pedigree sales and some of them don't sell, I'd have to find a home for them for 40 days to get them home again. It's ridiculous we have some of the best traceability in the world and yet the movement of livestock 32 miles across the Irish sea has become so much more complicated than it used to be, despite the fact we're all part of the same Kingdom!

The Protocol needs fixed urgently.

You have my complete sympathy especially as you voted so strongly remain. I don't believe the protocol can be fixed, because, somewhere, we have to have a border. Maybe the unionists should change to the other union? United Ireland anyone?

 

[Ashtree]

With respect, that's easy for you to say. The NI Protocol was a sticky plaster to 'get Brexit done.' NI is now left with all sorts of complications for many industries trying to do business with GB, even though we're part of the same country.

Used to take a few days for us to get machinery parts from GB into NI. Now it's weeks and some companies won't do business at all with NI because of the paperwork. We're left trying to get parts from local dealers (who also can't get parts quickly) and are increasing prices. The machinery dealers in RoI know this too and have jacked their prices accordingly.

If I want to buy livestock in GB, I have to wait 40 days after I've purchased it before it can travel to NI. If I wanted to take livestock to GB to sell at the pedigree sales and some of them don't sell, I'd have to find a home for them for 40 days to get them home again. It's ridiculous we have some of the best traceability in the world and yet the movement of livestock 32 miles across the Irish sea has become so much more complicated than it used to be, despite the fact we're all part of the same Kingdom!

The Protocol needs fixed urgently.

The Protocol was agreed as a last resort, as UK ERG/DUP used their votes to reject any and all other alternatives.
The quickest, easiest way now to drastically improve how the Protocol works, is for UK to accept alignment with EU veterinary. UK has been concerned that solution, could potentially disrupt a free trade deal with USA. Paddy Biden has stepped in on that, and assured Boris that such a solution will not get in the way of a deal with USA.

 

[BrianV]

Full Brexit checks risk becoming 'incendiary' in N.Ireland, M&S says

The introduction of full customs checks between Britain and Northern Ireland risks becoming "incendiary" when prices rise and favourite products fail to get through, one of the country's biggest retailers said.

www.reuters.com

Marks and Spencers wagons going to Northern Ireland typically have to have 3 booklets with 720 pages of documentation

M&S emply 30 vets currently not on food safety just form filling

Loads have been rejected / food to landfill just for forms filled in the wrong colour ink

Even butter has endless food chain documentation

Surely food packaging labelled "For sale in United Kingdom" and subsidiarity rules are the way forward ?

Can someone explain to me why the very same rules are not being enforced on all EU good entering this country, why would the EU ever compromise when they have a free pass?

 

[Woolless]

Northern Ireland was always going to be a major issue upon which Brexit fouled. None of the Brexiteers gave it much thought, however. The protocol was cobbled together in order that that the Belfast Agreement could be complied with and Britain leave the EU. I have every sympathy for folk over there suffering petty bureaucracy and businesses struggling to comply, and the EU being seen as unreasonable when they are merely enforcing a rulebook to which GB signed up. Why expect anything else?

 

[HatsOff]

EU suggested packaging marked for sale and use in UK only, could have a big union jack as well.
Frost rejected it!
Ask why.

Ideology getting in the way of pragmatism and good governance with Frost/Boris/Brexiteers.

Just announced they want to completely rewrite the 'oven ready' deal they've just signed! Unbelievable.

 

[neilo]

If we build a long tunnel, M&S could sneak lorries over under cover, without the EU knowing anything about it.

Go Boris...

 

[cowboysupper]

The Protocol was agreed as a last resort, as UK ERG/DUP used their votes to reject any and all other alternatives.
The quickest, easiest way now to drastically improve how the Protocol works, is for UK to accept alignment with EU veterinary. UK has been concerned that solution, could potentially disrupt a free trade deal with USA. Paddy Biden has stepped in on that, and assured Boris that such a solution will not get in the way of a deal with USA.

Can't disagree with that. The DUP are a bunch of self righteous muppet. Teresa May's proposal was a good proposition for NI, but I appreciate didn't suit the demands of those who wanted a harder Brexit.

There were always going to be winners and losers out of the process, but unfortunately I think NI has ended up in the losing camp up until now... Hopefully that can change in due course

 

[Woolless]

Can't disagree with that. The DUP are a bunch of self righteous muppet. Teresa May's proposal was a good proposition for NI, but I appreciate didn't suit the demands of those who wanted a harder Brexit.

There were always going to be winners and losers out of the process, but unfortunately I think NI has ended up in the losing camp up until now... Hopefully that can change in due course

I suspect that longer term, your dual status may be of great benefit.

 

[milkloss]

All official forms here, hand filled, have to be black biro. Use blue and it's rejected.

Does anyone actually buy a blue biro nowadays?! I expect it’s some cheapskates using the cats protection league freebie that came in the post.

 

[Courier]

What more would be needed than to align UK and EU regulations ?

‘Cos that seems to be what Liz Truss has done to get a UK - Ukraine deal….