Anyone known of an issues with JR Firby?

[Spud]

Bit of perspective.

50yo tractor, inspected by purchaser, deemed in working order. Pays money, takes tractor home.

Some time later decides it no longer works & gets stroppy.

Did it come with a warranty?

Presumably the price was acceptable on the day of sale?

It'd be quicker & cheaper to just fix the bloody thing and stop crying about it

 

[Farmer_Joe]

Bit of perspective.

50yo tractor, inspected by purchaser, deemed in working order. Pays money, takes tractor home.

Some time later decides it no longer works & gets stroppy.

Did it come with a warranty?

Presumably the price was acceptable on the day of sale?

It'd be quicker & cheaper to just fix the bloody thing and stop crying about it

Disagree completely, old tractor at extremely high retail price bought by consumer expecting it to work I assume under sale of goods act I. E pto steering etc is not like a light thats not working, Now if it don’t work he should sort it?
if he wanted a project he would have gone to York or cheffins…

I can only assume there is warranty implied as he is a dealer, in the car trade you have to honour this unless it’s to another dealer

 

[teslacoils]

Don't forget sale of goods act is quite different when considering business to business sales. This isn't a microwave in Dixon's.

 

[teslacoils]

Ooof. Dixon's doesn't exist now, does it?!?

 

[Spud]

Disagree completely, old tractor at extremely high retail price bought by consumer expecting it to work I assume under sale of goods act I. E pto steering etc is not like a light thats not working, Now if it don’t work he should sort it?
if he wanted a project he would have gone to York or cheffins…

I can only assume there is warranty implied as he is a dealer, in the car trade you have to honour this unless it’s to another dealer

Price unimportant, customer was obvs happy to pay it, and had inspected tractor & happy it worked, or wouldn't of bought the thing.

Machinery breaks down. Fix it. Move on.

Looking for someone else to pay, particularly in the absence of a warranty when you've had the thing a while is just poor form and makes one look a twit.

Need a road test? Demo? I'm sure it could be accommodated.

Not happy? Don't buy it.

Want perfect order & no repair bills? Pay for a written warranty.

 

[Spud]

Disagree completely, old tractor at extremely high retail price bought by consumer expecting it to work I assume under sale of goods act I. E pto steering etc is not like a light thats not working, Now if it don’t work he should sort it?
if he wanted a project he would have gone to York or cheffins…

I can only assume there is warranty implied as he is a dealer, in the car trade you have to honour this unless it’s to another dealer

How long should the dealer expect to accept liability for any repairs, howsoever caused?

 

[Farmer_Joe]

Price unimportant, customer was obvs happy to pay it, and had inspected tractor & happy it worked, or wouldn't of bought the thing.

Machinery breaks down. Fix it. Move on.

Looking for someone else to pay, particularly in the absence of a warranty when you've had the thing a while is just poor form and makes one look a twit.

Need a road test? Demo? I'm sure it could be accommodated.

Not happy? Don't buy it.

Want perfect order & no repair bills? Pay for a written warranty.

Does he have no warranty I may have missed this reply? it’s implied unless written that it is sold as seen?
I’m not familiar for the time they have had it also I assume not long as pto prob first thing you may use?

 

[glasshouse]

Admission he’s selling shite, (I don’t have a problem with that if the price point reflects it) may aswell go to qf at least he’s not taking the pee on the markup! (I’ve bought from qf before and been very happy knowing it’s sold as seen). Amusingly I’ve seen the forementioned dealer buy straight off gf and add another 2k on and go straight on their website, who said qf only sell shite? Sure he fully tested them though

you would expect better when someone is selling stuff at the retail level he is now, you sell old machines at high retail prices you have to expect it might have issues and you will have to sort them out if you want to maintain you reputation, the markup is surely insurance for these very events.

Hats off to traders like smcapstick who will stick by there machines and offer to take them back can’t say fairer than that.

Whats gf?

 

[Speedstar]

It was a throttle potentiometer on a JCB fastrac. I gave him the old one back and he repaired it.

It was a used tractor only done 1k hours. 3 years old Still got it and consider the guy I bought it off a friend. Its 10 years old now.

Will definitely buy my next fastrac off him.

There is all ways two side to every story I would not buy a rusted washer from the man you are talking about

 

[glasshouse]

Dealers have to make extra profit now that online selling has busted the “ring”

 

[lloyd]

Who would want to be a dealer of old tractors
in this day and age!

 

[mtx.jag]

How do we know that the OP did not burn the pto clutch out themselves by misuse?

 

[smcapstick]

A few more things to clear up:

A machine sold in good working order by a dealer must be fit for purpose - all major functions working correctly.

Age DOES matter - age-related wear is taken in to consideration by the courts. A 50yo tractor is not expected to be perfect, no matter what the purchaser expects.

All dealers sell with a warranty on retail sales. If it’s not sold as needing repairs, it’s got three months warranty as a statuary requirement. No exceptions.

More reasons to avoid weekenders. If they are not registered dealers, you run the risk of them pleading ’private sale’ in the event of a problem and you having no statutory rights whatsoever.

 

[Sebastian77]

Don't forget sale of goods act is quite different when considering business to business sales. This isn't a microwave in Dixon's.

Bit of a misconception here, gets said a lot that people actually believe it. Buying a tractor has same rights as buying a microwave, you are a consumer at the end of a chain.

Where it gets muddy is with used "goods", unless explicitly in writing that something is sold as seen then if it's faulty on delivery or within a short time frame (3 months?) then a good lawyer will mop it up now days. They even recommend writing a declaration on invoice receipts for private to private sales.

 

[smcapstick]

B2B does remove the wheat from the chaff, so to speak - you don’t get the proletariat buying a Massey 135 on a finance deal over 200 years then the court unwinding the deal for them because they’re idiots.

B2B does require the goods to be as declared, though. If the dealer says it is blue, it needs to be blue.

 

[Farmer_Joe]

How long should the dealer expect to accept liability for any repairs, howsoever caused?

I believe our friend above may have answered this, so that’s 3 months ( could be beyond this but unlikely if they are so intent on pto being working)

I’m extremely inclined to believe it was not sold as seen a though I cannot say for certain not knowing the facts, so the dealer should stand up and sort it.

 

[Dave W]

Admission he’s selling shite, (I don’t have a problem with that if the price point reflects it) may aswell go to qf at least he’s not taking the pee on the markup! (I’ve bought from qf before and been very happy knowing it’s sold as seen). Amusingly I’ve seen the forementioned dealer buy straight off gf and add another 2k on and go straight on their website, who said qf only sell shite? Sure he fully tested them though

you would expect better when someone is selling stuff at the retail level he is now, you sell old machines at high retail prices you have to expect it might have issues and you will have to sort them out if you want to maintain you reputation, the markup is surely insurance for these very events.

Hats off to traders like smcapstick who will stick by there machines and offer to take them back can’t say fairer than that.

You like many others are missing the point.
the OP reported an issue. Firby said he'll call and take a look. Then the op slangs him all over tff.
There's 2 sides to this story and we're definitely only getting one.
The thread has run course and is just dragging a decent dealers name through the mud with no balance to the argument.
it needs deleting rather than locking.

 

[Lakes Nash]

Op has gone quiet, so we have and are all been on a guessing game! I suppose it’s been that way since post 1, sad really!

 

[Dave W]

I believe our friend above may have answered this, so that’s 3 months ( could be beyond this but unlikely if they are so intent on pto being working)

I’m extremely inclined to believe it was not sold as seen a though I cannot say for certain not knowing the facts, so the dealer should stand up and sort it.

You admit you don't know the facts yet still have an opinion. Priceless

 

[Farmer_Joe]

Yes. Which was sold as good working order with a price to match and it’s not.

You admit you don't know the facts yet still have an opinion. Priceless

I was trying to give a balanced response
from the above i can only assume it was sold in gwo