are new tractor over priced

[Tarw Coch]

Do you find yourself saving much time using modern kit compared to what you were using 30 years ago?

I think that’s the biggest difference, 30 years ago I was pulling a 4 furrow reversible, a 9ft moco and 10 ton trailers with a MF 575.
Whilst the machinery has only grown slightly, the tractors have gone from one extreme to the other, but I don’t miss the late nights I regularly put in in my youth , alright once in a while as a novelty but I usually end up knackered the next day.

 

[Ashtree]

Had a guy in Saturday power harrowing a bit for me, using a MF4355. Basic manual shuttle version. I just mentioned to him I was surprised he hadn’t one of a couple much newer and more modern MF’s he has. His answer “if only the newer tractors were as reliable as his 4355, he wouldn’t have kept it (the 4355) in the first place”.
It has 9k hours on and never been in the workshop other than servicing. All the others have had the dealer visit multiple times, for one electric fault or another.
There’s a guy keeping a lot of cash tied up in old tech, just because his new tech has “moods” as he put it.
So yes, new tractors are ridiculous expensive, and not just based on list or net price day one.

 

[Red Fred]

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There’s a guy keeping a lot of cash tied up in old tech, just because his new tech has “moods” as he put it.

On a much smaller scale, I do the same, keeping my old RP12 Welger and Parmiter wrapper on hand in case I get an electronic failure with the more modern stuff.

 

[unlacedgecko]

Some might be aware I’ve got a Sanderson 726 telehandler of ‘88 vintage.

I use it daily for filling feeders, scraping out and moving straw bales. I use a contractor for blowing in the bales. I have thought about a newer telehandler. But I can’t see how it would increase profit to the enterprise.

A larger telehandler would be quicker to muck out. But I’ve started mucking out the sheds monthly so there would be the build up of muck. A newer telehandler would allow me to buy my own straw blower and stop using the contractor. But the purchase of a new Spreadabale would pay for the contractor for 18months.

(I am actually buying another telehandler, but that’s because I need one for my other site. It will still be a less than £10k cheapie).

 

[Lincsman]

How did you get a 19plate T7040??? Thought they where long gone

They are still being made for places pollution is allowed.

 

[Ali_Maxxum]

Yes.... That's if you're looking at it against what you're getting for your produce/service. However, if you're comparing it to the real world and everything else that has gone up, then not really.

Agriculture and farming needs a monumental boot up the arse.

I've been discussing how much I want for some round bale haylage today. ''Oh, I think I only paid X for some last year'' Oh right, yeah? Well last year was 2019 not 1999. FFS.

Plenty are happy to bumble along with 40yr old gear and accept 40yr old out of date prices, that's fine, you crack on. But some of us like a bit of progress, even if that means snapping up plenty of ground and actually doing something productive with it, if you don't someone else will, and quite frankly, why shouldn't they?

I don't want to be in a bone shaking, tinnitus causing rattle box, especially not when you're on it 12hrs+ a day.

 

[Hilly]

Yes.... That's if you're looking at it against what you're getting for your produce/service. However, if you're comparing it to the real world and everything else that has gone up, then not really.

Agriculture and farming needs a monumental boot up the arse.

I've been discussing how much I want for some round bale haylage today. ''Oh, I think I only paid X for some last year'' Oh right, yeah? Well last year was 2019 not 1999. FFS.

Plenty are happy to bumble along with 40yr old gear and accept 40yr old out of date prices, that's fine, you crack on. But some of us like a bit of progress, even if that means snapping up plenty of ground and actually doing something productive with it, if you don't someone else will, and quite frankly, why shouldn't they?

I don't want to be in a bone shaking, tinnitus causing rattle box, especially not when you're on it 12hrs+ a day.

Eh, contradicted yourself.

 

[Highland Mule]

Yes.... That's if you're looking at it against what you're getting for your produce/service. However, if you're comparing it to the real world and everything else that has gone up, then not really.

Agriculture and farming needs a monumental boot up the arse.

I've been discussing how much I want for some round bale haylage today. ''Oh, I think I only paid X for some last year'' Oh right, yeah? Well last year was 2019 not 1999. FFS.

Plenty are happy to bumble along with 40yr old gear and accept 40yr old out of date prices, that's fine, you crack on. But some of us like a bit of progress, even if that means snapping up plenty of ground and actually doing something productive with it, if you don't someone else will, and quite frankly, why shouldn't they?

I don't want to be in a bone shaking, tinnitus causing rattle box, especially not when you're on it 12hrs+ a day.

Everything else hasn’t gone up. Plenty has come down and is orders of magnitudes cheaper than before. Have a look in Primark and be shocked about clothes prices, or try and spend £40 on a calculator (as I did back in 1998).

 

[Ali_Maxxum]

Eh, contradicted yourself.

I can't see where really but ok.

 

[Ali_Maxxum]

Everything else hasn’t gone up. Plenty has come down and is orders of magnitudes cheaper than before. Have a look in Primark and be shocked about clothes prices, or try and spend £40 on a calculator (as I did back in 1998).

I'm on about tractors as per the original post, not a pair of jeans.

 

[Hilly]

I can't see where really but ok.

Agg needs a kick up the arse I agree but you want to do more for less so you need a swanky tractor to sit in it 12 hrs a day a man with less land lesser tractor dosent have to work or need to work 12 hrs you just contradicted your self .

 

[Highland Mule]

I'm on about tractors as per the original post, not a pair of jeans.

However, if you're comparing it to the real world and everything else that has gone up

 

[7610 super q]

No one is happy about 40 year old ( or more ) prices, but what option is there ? I reckon £40 / round bale hay is the bare minimum to make a sensible profit..... but chuff me sideways every f**king year there's folks selling it for £10 bale locally on FB. I gave up making hay. To add to the long list of things I've given up over the last 30 years cos it don't pay. PYO fruit. Organic spuds and veg. Organic grain. Free range eggs. I just grow bog standard feed grain now. It does pay providing I run 1970's / 80's gear. Anyone got any better ideas ? I'm all ears ?

 

[texelburger]

Out of interest, how much would a 3 bed semi rent out for in Hereford and how much would it cost to get a contractor to do your combining?

Interesting question,
I'm guessing a 3 bed semi would rent out at between £500 to £700 pcm depending on location within the city.
Contractor for combining £35/acre approx.
So assuming 600 acres equates to £21000 contractor charges.
House rent between £6000 to £8400 /year

 

[Tarw Coch]

Interesting question,
I'm guessing a 3 bed semi would rent out at between £500 to £700 pcm depending on location within the city.
Contractor for combining £35/acre approx.
So assuming 600 acres equates to £21000 contractor charges.
House rent between £6000 to £8400 /year

So house rent wouldn’t come close to covering combinining bill which is what I was wandering although with drivers wages , fuel, maintenance and depreciation it might be a close run thing.
Sometimes I like to take a sideways look at things to see how they stack up from a different angle, it’s allways good to realise there might be a different way of doing things even if I choose not to

 

[betweenthelines]

No one is happy about 40 year old ( or more ) prices, but what option is there ? I reckon £40 / round bale hay is the bare minimum to make a sensible profit..... but chuff me sideways every fudgeing year there's folks selling it for £10 bale locally on FB. I gave up making hay. To add to the long list of things I've given up over the last 30 years cos it don't pay. PYO fruit. Organic spuds and veg. Organic grain. Free range eggs. I just grow bog standard feed grain now. It does pay providing I run 1970's / 80's gear. Anyone got any better ideas ? I'm all ears ?

The guy selling BB hay for a tenner is proving my point-selling at a price the market will pay. If he asked £40/bale, he wouldn't sell any

Tractors are the same-people pay the price the dealers want, so the prices don't come down.

 

[R J]

In Kenya we are still on tier 3 and as such they are still making them. It doesn’t have a 19 plate but was built in 2018 bought feb 2019. I also have a 2016 build t6080.

what is the price of the 7040 in Kenya ?

 

[Devil's advocate]

I believe that is a common and increasing practice in the USA.

Certainly in industrial forklifts standard pratice.

Our forklift looks brand new many think it is. But it has 12,000 hours on the clock.

 

[agri knives]

Had a guy in Saturday power harrowing a bit for me, using a MF4355. Basic manual shuttle version. I just mentioned to him I was surprised he hadn’t one of a couple much newer and more modern MF’s he has. His answer “if only the newer tractors were as reliable as his 4355, he wouldn’t have kept it (the 4355) in the first place”.
It has 9k hours on and never been in the workshop other than servicing. All the others have had the dealer visit multiple times, for one electric fault or another.
There’s a guy keeping a lot of cash tied up in old tech, just because his new tech has “moods” as he put it.
So yes, new tractors are ridiculous expensive, and not just based on list or net price day one.

Which newer models has he.

 

[Lowland1]

what is the price of the 7040 in Kenya ?

I paid the equivalent of £ 78000 it’s a 40kmh power command probably a bit lower spec than U.K but fine for my work.