Meps are a sham, thats why they have no power.They are voted in by their own countries, and therefore have their countries interests first and foremost in their minds.This being the case, they will never be able to agree on anything!British MPs, though of different parties and beliefs do represent parts of the same country, under the same laws, and can therefore put party ties aside, and vote for the common good. MEPs are unable to do this, for example, what is good fror Greece, may well be the opposite for France.Greek MEPs would vote in one direction, French in another.This type of impasse can result in larger countries leaning on the smaller to support them. In domestic politics this matters little, but in the case of nations,it is a real threat to stability.
Arrogant Brits...
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kneedeep
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Well, after spending the week leading up to the vote, trapped in a hospital ward, I've had the wonderful opportunity of discussing the issues amongst a wide range of folk, from a white english medical professor, sub equatorial african and middle eastern consultants, through (not down ) to scouse Irish cleaners and dinner ladies .
Patients ranging from an expat oil industry executive who's lived inside and outside the UK since the seventies, through warehousemen, builders, students, right DOWN TO a drugged up, awaiting sentence drug mule.
THEY ALL HAD AN OPINION
To bracket them is disingenuous, however the underlying theme, amongst the under 25, hard working, young mothers,with the spray tans, tatoos,hair, makeup and nails , was unanimous. ........
"Will it make me holidays dearer or cheaper?"
NOTHING MORE.
No sovereignty, economy, immigration, issues.
Just how much will the most important annual two weeks of sun sea and BOOZE costs.
As an aside, the one thing , during these discussions that has genuinely shocked me are those, who we were led to believe to be solid 'inners'
(Degree holding professionals, including my Public sector employed sister/Bil , who own/travel to a beautiful property in SE France on a bi weekly basis, and business people in Hi Tech industries exporting mainly to
Europe ) were as vehement 'Outers' as this Christmas voting intelluctual turkey.
Mocking those less
'educationally qualified ' of our society, is a huge and significant mistake , our ( mainly degree educated)Political classes and Meedya (sic) continue to make.
(Maybe they're too thick to get it)
Hilly
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Bad loose`rs behaving like spoilt children, pathetic.
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GenuineRisk
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I didn't say they were better off - I said I think you'll see an exit of many younger families to other countries, be they European or further because they simply don't like the current political climate in what at the moment can be called Great Britain. However, as said above by @hang-on, not a lot will change - amusingly, the generational vote by those over 60 to Leave - those people probably won't see much benefit, as it is going to take years to repeal some of the legislation we left for. I think their pensions will suffer hugely and I sincerely hope they feel that was worth it - my view only though. Doubt I'll see mine for even longer...
Current thinking is that we exit along the lines of the current Norwegian model, with a few adaptions. Remember, voting Leave did not give control over how we leave, merely that we do. There's a real possibility we will still be contributing financially as the Norwegians do. Hey ho, perceived wisdom this morning is that there aren't enough Government Officials either with the required levels of experience to deal with the fine detail, so that's a whole load more public sector jobs to be created and hopefully, the right calibre will be available because the Devil is always in the detail.......
Zeroo
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Been trying understand the brexit. Are the people who want out kinda like our middle class that carry the tax burden for all the welfare and entitlement programs? If so, then good move. It will get worse before it gets better. Tired of people with their hand out.
exmoor dave
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With the greatest respect.
That's another dig at the elderly from you, you were calling them "selfish" yesterday.
If the youth think they have been ruined, why didn't they think it was important enough to turn out to vote in the numbers the elderly did?
BTW I'm young, I did think it important to vote and I'm finding the repeated "blame" thrown at the elderly here and across the media, very undignified, whether I agree with the result or not.
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jojo
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+1 well said the people of Great Britain have voted and this is the out come
Some people just need to suck it up and get on with it now it's over the decision has been made
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To sum it up then Same S#^t different day 
I quite like fudge
GenuineRisk
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Well, maybe it's because I am in that age group and my contemporaries that I know, mainly voted for Leave. What you can't understand is that a percentage of the rhetoric, just enough to make a difference, harked back to how it was before 1972. Nostalgia for days long gone did have a part to play in the older person's vote, despite what you believe. And believe me, racism really was a serious problem back then and Farage exploited people's fears to the max.
Many of the youth vote were genuinely confused as to how to vote, so didn't. It would now appear to be true many of all ages voted Leave as a protest vote, not actually thinking it would happen. I think you're exaggerating if the youth of this country think they've been ruined but many will be young enough and motivated enough to use this massive change as just what they need to leave this country and that, I think, will be a crying shame. They aren't tied like those in agriculture to land, so are far more mobile.
However, my take is that much of EU Legacy will actually be enshrined in our current legal system. Not much will actually change, except we'll be paying more for a lot of imports but that may generate the necessary backlash to buy British, hopefully,
wasted years
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Yes , you'll never get an independent minded scott acting that way.
exmoor dave
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On the radio yesterday several students said their lives have been ruined, I just wish the interviewer had asked how many of them voted. Obviously they are very young and probably have no idea of hardship to understand this isn't the end of the world.
I agree it was a difficult decision, I found it incredibly difficult, but just not voting is not the answer.
So if nothing else, I hope the young have had a lesson in the importance to vote.
If the EUs is to ultimately federalise, then realistically we've only been asked now what we would have had to decide on further down the line. I'm yet to meet a single remained who wanted part of anything like that!
Say that decision was in 20yrs time, the young folk wailing now in all likely hood may have changed their tune &the young of that era may then be complaining.
I don't know, but thanks for your good reply
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Ibiza will still be there tell em !!!
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116 replies to a first time posting troll............classic !
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