backstop

[nivilla1982]

Its fair question, know the Irish government have no intention of enforcing it but wouldn't it cause issues and be a constant thorn without an agreement? You ll have a massive smuggling problem would think and may become a way for individuals wanting to enter either country without necessary visa's to enter. Have heard of people from non EU countries flying into Belfast as the moment for work on a UK visa and then heading down the road to Dublin for few days work, while not an issue could become one no?

There is already quite a bit of smuggling, fuel etc by certain members of "organisations"

 

[Henarar]

Its fair question, know the Irish government have no intention of enforcing it but wouldn't it cause issues and be a constant thorn without an agreement? You ll have a massive smuggling problem would think and may become a way for individuals wanting to enter either country without necessary visa's to enter. Have heard of people from non EU countries flying into Belfast as the moment for work on a UK visa and then heading down the road to Dublin for few days work, while not an issue could become one no?

well there it is, it works both ways
tell them to stick it I say
offer them a deal will an end date or nothing, take it or leave it bloody prats
tbo been f'inng about with this border job for to long anyway

 

[Joe]

well there it is, it works both ways
tell them to stick it I say
offer them a deal will an end date or nothing, take it or leave it bloody prats
tbo been f'inng about with this border job for to long anyway

Ye great solution UK dictating to the lowly Irish worked well in the past

 

[Muck Spreader]

We currently have Hard Remain.

Yet the whole country voted to Leave the EU with the largets EVER democratic vote.

We live in a democracy.

Leaving the EU is not about a border in Ireland where a few people can't decide where they live or their allegances lie. Nor is leaving the EU about Remoaners coming up with excuses not to Leave.

We ARE leaving.

Better to come up with solutions rather than childish excuses.

Northern Ireland and Scotland didn't vote to leave the EU.

 

[Ashtree]

Simple facts are that in a no deal crash out by UK, there WILL be a hard border.
Both Irish and British customs services will have to man this border.
No amount of denial about this fact during this farctious negotiation phase changes that reality.

 

[Henarar]

Ye great solution UK dictating to the lowly Irish worked well in the past

Nothing dictating about it
Nothing lowly either
Just let them do what they want

 

[Henarar]

Northern Ireland and Scotland didn't vote to leave the EU.

Didn't know there had been a vote for them to decide this

 

[alex04w]

The UK has said it will not create a hard border - no infrastructure on the border.

The Republic of Ireland has said it will not create a hard border.

The EU refuses to say what it will do in the event of a no deal brexit.

Whilst negotiating the UK withdrawal deal, the EU said that a technological solution to the border was impossible. However, once the withdrawal agreement was 'finalised' and 'agreed' the EU suddenly issued a statement on future trade relations which said that technology on the Irish border was the way to go.

So the problem in all of this is the EU! Call their bluff I say.

The next prime minister should start from the position that the EU has made it clear it does not want to change the present withdrawal 'agreement'. Ok, so no deal then. See the £39bn - well £4bn of it is immediately redirected to no deal planning. £5bn is immediately released for the NHS and education. So there is £30bn left. If the EU wants to come back to the table the first change to the withdrawal deal is that the £39bn become £30bn. As each week passes, another £2bn will be knocked off that figure and given to no deal planning, the NHS, education, roads, etc.

Come the 1st April the UK will be in great shape to deal with 'no deal' and our infrastructure and services will also be in great form.

 

[Hindsight]

Northern Ireland and Scotland didn't vote to leave the EU.

Cambridge voted 73% remain Fenland 72% leave - the constituencies are 20 miles apart.

 

[Muck Spreader]

The UK has said it will not create a hard border - no infrastructure on the border.

The Republic of Ireland has said it will not create a hard border.

The EU refuses to say what it will do in the event of a no deal brexit.

Whilst negotiating the UK withdrawal deal, the EU said that a technological solution to the border was impossible. However, once the withdrawal agreement was 'finalised' and 'agreed' the EU suddenly issued a statement on future trade relations which said that technology on the Irish border was the way to go.

So the problem in all of this is the EU! Call their bluff I say.

The next prime minister should start from the position that the EU has made it clear it does not want to change the present withdrawal 'agreement'. Ok, so no deal then. See the £39bn - well £4bn of it is immediately redirected to no deal planning. £5bn is immediately released for the NHS and education. So there is £30bn left. If the EU wants to come back to the table the first change to the withdrawal deal is that the £39bn become £30bn. As each week passes, another £2bn will be knocked off that figure and given to no deal planning, the NHS, education, roads, etc.

Come the 1st April the UK will be in great shape to deal with 'no deal' and our infrastructure and services will also be in great form.

In international law it's legally binding for the UK to pay the money owed whether or not a deal is reached. There is no pot with 39 billion in it, and the UK will only finish paying this money back 2064. But the UK wouldn't be paying the net 7 or 8 billion a year to the EU either.

 

[Farm buy]

What I see is this,
1, The Good Friday Agreement says no hard border in Ireland
2, Theresa May says no hard border between Northern Ireland and the rest of the UK
3, If the UK Brexits and leaves the Single Market and The Customs Union there needs to be a hard border between the UK and the EU
It is a circle that can't be squared.

Exactly

 

[renewablejohn]

but if there is no agreement when we leave what happens to the border ?
say the UK leaves and just docent bother to enforce the border ?

There is a really simple solution if they really wanted it. Uk would join EFTA as it departs on the 29th March. On the same day ROI joins EFTA as well as being in the EU then UK and ROI trade on EFTA rules. Precedent for this has already been set with Finland who was in both EFTA and EU until they gave up being in EFTA. Would also be the route for individual trade deals with the rest of the EU 27 but the EU are trying to block that.

 

[Farm buy]

There doesn't need to be a hard border between Southern & Northen Ireland.

Ireland isn't in Schengen .. if there was a need for a hard border there would be one NOW.

Quite literally the only need would be to check some lorries transitioning the border.

Institute a green lane as all European airports have .. and spot check those who are most likely to be lying.

Case closed.

Have you every travelled or holidays in the border area of Ireland . It is complicated and if it was easy it would be solved by now.

 

[Henarar]

Cambridge voted 73% remain Fenland 72% leave - the constituencies are 20 miles apart.

I know of a household of four where 2 voted leave and 2 voted remain by the way some on here think half that house should be in the EU and half not
some should read the voting slip, the vote was about the UK being in or out of the EU nothing else, all very simple, to simple for some

 

[Muck Spreader]

I know of a household of four where 2 voted leave and 2 voted remain by the way some on here think half that house should be in the EU and half not
some should read the voting slip, the vote was about the UK being in or out of the EU nothing else, all very simple, to simple for some

And the Conservative party is tearing itself to bits on merely how we leave the EU. Nothing to do with any future agreements with them so, real fun and games of that has yet to start.

 

[ollie989898]

Just leave the EU and get on with negotiating a trade deal with whoever wants one.

Take away the promised 39 billion as well, that should concentrate their minds.

 

[Danllan]

In international law it's legally binding for the UK to pay the money owed whether or not a deal is reached. There is no pot with 39 billion in it, and the UK will only finish paying this money back 2064. But the UK wouldn't be paying the net 7 or 8 billion a year to the EU either.

Rubbish. Which 'International Law?' There is nothing in 'International Law' with regard to this, you claim there is, name it.

 

[Ashtree]

All this banging on about GB mainland being NI's main trading partner
Turns out, ROI is main trading partner

Support May, Build The Backstop, Deliver Brexit, Fudge Off 29 March 2019. Job done.

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/...nd-sales-to-republic-rise-by-16-37619643.html

 

[Danllan]

All this banging on about GB mainland being NI's main trading partner
Turns out, ROI is main trading partner

Support May, Build The Backstop, Deliver Brexit, Fudge Off 29 March 2019. Job done.

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/...nd-sales-to-republic-rise-by-16-37619643.html

Another lie and piece of sh*t-stirring. The article clearly states otherwise:

Sales to GB dropped for the first time on record by £2.9bn to £11.3bn in 2017...

Meanwhile exports to the Republic increased by £540m or 16.2% over the year to £3.9bn, the highest figure since the survey began in 2011. The report states that "Ireland remains our single largest export market".

I make the difference between GB and ROI trade as £7.4bn in the favour of GB, how about you? Plus 'export' means to a foreign country you idiot, NI is part of the UK... doh!

 

[Ashtree]

Another lie and piece of sh*t-stirring. The article clearly states otherwise:

Sales to GB dropped for the first time on record by £2.9bn to £11.3bn in 2017...

Meanwhile exports to the Republic increased by £540m or 16.2% over the year to £3.9bn, the highest figure since the survey began in 2011. The report states that "Ireland remains our single largest export market".

I make the difference between GB and ROI trade as £7.4bn in the favour of GB, how about you? Plus 'export' means to a foreign country you idiot, NI is part of the UK... doh!

It takes very little to make you jump up and way your little tail. Down boy, down. I don’t wear cheap suits.