bacterial sheep illness

shepherdess

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dorset
hello, I'm looking for some help from any of you that maybe can, firstly yes vets are involved.

I'm suffering a out break of something that is rapidly killing the ewes, pregnant, empty and rams, it starts very quick with out much warning, the ewe will be up eat its feed, or feeding at feeder, cudding etc showing no signs of problem, but when it goes down with this issue it will start to stand their, ears down face to floor, not trembling and on vets looking not always running a temperature,but if they do their slightly hotter,(their sheared and on cold days) their breathing is struggled, shortly after he she will start to drowl and its 50/50 to weather their eat, cake or even ivy.
this happens with in sometimes less than an hour it will be down drowling and not responding to anything, ie pen strep, draxin, zuprevo, betamox, emgymycin, reason I'm using these is on vets saying worth trying, not overly me experimenting,

firstly vets thought twin lamb though was treating for this at same time as generally the stress bought it on, which was agreed by vets right to do, using glucose and calcium, this did nothing and seeming rams and emptys was suffering wasn't convinced this was so.

the vets have taken bloods and pm's the bloods was clear though in poorer ones low slightly in calcium which from stress in them pregnant was expected with this issue.
the pm'ed ones, one had a blackend liver bacteria was found but which type unknown?
the second had puss all around heart, and lungs, lungs slightly blistered one side which could be due to side she died on, so vet thought possible, again the bacteria unknown but showing a pulmonary disease.
when moving them when dead they will pool liquid from their nose and mouth, the pussy goo I guess found in pm'ed one. thought was could be 2 different probs, as she wasn't drowling

so that's a bit of what their doing my hope is maybe someone has came across something similar to give us an idea, as at moment the vets are at a loss to what it might be from tests already done, I will be hearing again from them to what eles they might have come up with, my first point to them was maybe jaggasea, spelt wrong sorry not the best speller. but was told wouldn't spread to others usually isolated cases.
one other I said was listerossis which I did have an out break of 3 years ago, did have another start out break this year early on and stopped feeding that fields hay, 2 weeks later cases stopped but these almost all responded to treatment and the symptoms are different in these no circling or craning knecks back etc. was clear on tests too.

sorry for long post but tried to add as much hope as I could for any experience any of you might of had, thank you for your time
 

shepherdess

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dorset
ive tred several different drugs on different ones to see if it would beat infection, pens strep, betamox, zuprevo, draxin, engymycin and vets tried nuflor on one while their, ive even tried using one in morning one in after noon in different orders to see if itl have any effect, I did tell vet this and she agreed worth trying, reason being as with the listerosis I found I got 90% success from using pen strep in morning and betamox in after noon and it would general cure them, using just one normally always wasn't enough, but with doing this I can only prolong their life in the end they stop eating and waste away to death,
 

shepherdess

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Location
dorset
thanks but llamedos their not star gazing their stood with their nose to the floor looking real depressed and they have their ears hanging down, not saying its not that but its nothing like others that had it they stay slightly alert face not paralised or one ear down, no circling no neck craining just depressed with labored breathing
 

llamedos

New Member
thanks but llamedos their not star gazing their stood with their nose to the floor looking real depressed and they have their ears hanging down, not saying its not that but its nothing like others that had it they stay slightly alert face not paralised or one ear down, no circling no neck craining just depressed with labored breathing

I said was listerossis which I did have an out break of 3 years ago, did have another start out break this year early on and stopped feeding that fields hay, 2 weeks later cases stopped but these almost all responded to treatment and the symptoms are different in these no circling or craning knecks back etc.

I read your earlier post to be that you meant the last lot you thought had listeria, were circling and craning necks back.
This is not classic of Listeria,
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but is classic of CCN
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shepherdess

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Location
dorset
no agree, sorry made it sound muddled, others 3 years ago did have it, vets took a brain and grew it in lab which confermed it at the time to be listerosis, how I was 99% sure was what was causing earlier ones and odd ones now, but these respond with treatment most the time,

others with this other drowling prob don't, and only place they hold their head is nose to floor, they respond to nothing, bloods didn't show ccn, but thank you will mention it again tomorrow to make sure but their signs arnt similar to this. holding their neck back and up, only around to one side normally the left for some reason pressing to the ribs, the side with head ache I guess?
 

shepherdess

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Location
dorset
just relised re reading that, made it more muddled :facepalm: the neck craning again around to one side was mean tfor listerosis ones not the drowling ones, they don't crane their necks around at all just nose to floor, they don't want to hold heads up and when u lift them up they look into your eyes alert but drop head as soon as you let it go
 

llamedos

New Member
just relised re reading that, made it more muddled :facepalm: the neck craning again around to one side was mean tfor listerosis ones not the drowling ones, they don't crane their necks around at all just nose to floor, they don't want to hold heads up and when u lift them up they look into your eyes alert but drop head as soon as you let it go

We are still talking at cross purposes :D

Ewes with listeria, suffer facial paralysis, it will start with one ear drooped, and one eye, they then go on to look like my first pic both ears drooped profuse salivation heads down. If you catch them at the one ear down stage, and bang them with high does of AB in my limited experience, they survive, not so second stage. There is no head turning or pressing, no star gazing.


Star gazing, apparent blindness, head pressing, circling , no drooling is CCN
second pic.
 

shepherdess

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Location
dorset
agree llamedos and really appreciate your help, but these again don't froth at mouth just drowl liquid, you can fill a pint glass holding their head down in some they dribble so much! and will if forced walk off normal, straight, with out falling or wanting to go one way, you can make them bend their neck around to left or right and they don't stumble that way, they are alert in both eyes one side of face isn't dropped early on or late, and a few will go on and live for a week before it knocks them dead, know some can with listerosis too,but just trying to give you ideas that its not quite typical of listerosis, which is hard with text :) I'm in no way saying your wrong and its not that, just its not overly the same symptoms, infact hardly like that at all, vet didn't think it was typical listerosis either:unsure:
 

bobajob

Member
Location
Sw Scotland
Does sound like OPA with the drooling. Keeping them inside in close spaces will be helping it spread. Hope things improve for you. Would it help any turning them outside?
We have had a couple with opa - nothing you can do with them (n)
 

Badshot

Member
Location
Kent
Have you actually treated any for calcium deficiency? It hits very quickly sometimes, looks like TLD, and also lots of snot which can be mistaken for pneumonia. Go down, won't stand.
Never experienced it in anything other than pregnant ewes though.
 

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