Beef / Lamb & Pig Price Tracker

[Frank-the-Wool]

Looked as if Newark was a good trade yesterday.
Perhaps the bottom has been reached for lambs?

Certainly store numbers have disappeared and Ashford on Friday the lambs were dearer.

 

[beaconsboy]

What's abp on the bulls please

 

[neilo]

I was told back in June selling lambs DW that WC PGI was worth 10p/kg ......... but *only* till Welsh lamb numbers kicked in, then it was worth nothing extra.

I think that's out of the window shortly. I was told Sainsbury's 'Taste the Difference' range, which was the WC lamb, will be all Welsh lamb from the end of the year onwards. Where that leaves West Country PGI I have no idea.

 

[neilo]

Trouble is its another excuse to drop the price on animals that don't qualify, just like FA/ number of moves etc is all about!

Personally imo in a post brexit world when we will need to be major exporters of produce then we should have one scheme to cover the whole mainland of the UK/

Westcountry/ Welsh/ Scottish PGI is a direct result of EU rules.

'Welsh Lamb' is a very strong brand which has taken a long time, and a lot of HCC levies, to build. As is the purpose of all branding, it will have a competitive advantage when selling into new markets (like the US?). I can't think that HCC, or any sheep farmers in Wales, would be willing to give that up to help English lamb compete for those same markets.

 

[exmoor dave]

I think that's out of the window shortly. I was told Sainsbury's 'Taste the Difference' range, which was the WC lamb, will be all Welsh lamb from the end of the year onwards. Where that leaves West Country PGI I have no idea.

That will upset a few round here!

wonder whether sainsburys will be able to find enough Welsh lamb in may/early June?

I assumed that's why WC PGI was worth something back then but only til the Welsh lamb came on steam mid summer.

 

[exmoor dave]

'Welsh Lamb' is a very strong brand which has taken a long time, and a lot of HCC levies, to build. As is the purpose of all branding, it will have a competitive advantage when selling into new markets (like the US?). I can't think that HCC, or any sheep farmers in Wales, would be willing to give that up to help English lamb compete for those same markets.

&TBH if any given piece of lamb has the ability to be marketed as from one UK region, for certain customers.
Or as "British" for other customers , then that's no bad thing really, it gives a extra marketing opportunity.

My biggest concern though would be the potential 4 regions doing the same exact work, often in competition, from 4 small budgets.

 

[neilo]

That will upset a few round here!

wonder whether sainsburys will be able to find enough Welsh lamb in may/early June?

I assumed that's why WC PGI was worth something back then but only til the Welsh lamb came on steam mid summer.

Plenty of Jan/Feb lambers in Wales. It's a big place, with a huge variety of land types.

I can't see that the Sainsbury's contract is likely to be that huge though, just a case of shuffling lamb round. Any displaced lamb from that change would be taken up by other retailers who were less keen to pay the massive premium that Welsh lamb will enjoy.....

 

[Farmer1001]

'Welsh Lamb' is a very strong brand which has taken a long time, and a lot of HCC levies, to build. As is the purpose of all branding, it will have a competitive advantage when selling into new markets (like the US?). I can't think that HCC, or any sheep farmers in Wales, would be willing to give that up to help English lamb compete for those same markets.

Access to that "new" US market will be on the condition of reciprocal imports (trade deal), any gain for premium brands accessing the US market will be far less than the threat we face by allowing the US to pump "beef" and "chicken" into the uk. The food service in the UK buy far more "commodity' product than the US will buy "branded" produce.

 

[Henarar]

as far as export is concerned it don't matter what part of the UK it comes from if its sent abroad it leaves more room for rest of British production over here

 

[had e nuff]

Beeswax farms selling shearlings in Darlington today. 150 entered.

 

[yellowbelly]

Beeswax farms selling shearlings in Darlington today.

Does Mr Dyson have some farms up your way too? Or are they exports from down here?

 

[exmoor dave]

Plenty of Jan/Feb lambers in Wales. It's a big place, with a huge variety of land types.

I can't see that the Sainsbury's contract is likely to be that huge though, just a case of shuffling lamb round. Any displaced lamb from that change would be taken up by other retailers who were less keen to pay the massive premium that Welsh lamb will enjoy.....

Good friend of mine is a feb lamber in sw Wales & like you say no reading that there isn't plenty of early Welsh lamb.
But I can't think of another reason for WC to get a premium in may.
Might he another reason all together mind.

 

[MJT]

43.5 Kg texel x lambs £75.50 today . Not overly exciting but could be alot worse. Pulled out the ones that are probably too fat to send deadweight for market today, the rest will go to Merthyr tomorrow.

 

[had e nuff]

Does Mr Dyson have some farms up your way too? Or are they exports from down here?

From down south.

 

[neilo]

Access to that "new" US market will be on the condition of reciprocal imports (trade deal), any gain for premium brands accessing the US market will be far less than the threat we face by allowing the US to pump "beef" and "chicken" into the uk. The food service in the UK buy far more "commodity' product than the US will buy "branded" produce.

Absolutely, but access to the US lamb market was being trumpeted as our post-Brexit salvation last week.

 

[Farmer1001]

Absolutely, but access to the US lamb market was being trumpeted as our post-Brexit salvation last week.

Well not wishing to be a pessimist, but the US population consume an average of 1/2kg of sheep meat per head of population per year, whereas they consume approx 30kgs of beef per consumer - lamb quite simply isn't a big seller. The other point of interest is the market gets through a lot of BIG ribs, the sort you don't find on a 20kg carcase. So whilst there is an opportunity for say bigger carcass, it's not the saviour many would need to offset the possible flood of beef and chicken coming the other way. When considering new trade deals we must look at the overall nett position of imports v exports. In simple terms I am afraid the US will never replace the EU market for lamb and a free trade deal with the US could be economic suicide for many British farmers in beef and lanb production, if we have no trade deal with the EU and a free trade deal with the US then....

 

[Only]

Too m

Well not wishing to be a pessimist, but the US population consume an average of 1/2kg of sheep meat per head of population per year, whereas they consume approx 30kgs of beef per consumer - lamb quite simply isn't a big seller. The other point of interest is the market gets through a lot of BIG ribs, the sort you don't find on a 20kg carcase. So whilst there is an opportunity for say bigger carcass, it's not the saviour many would need to offset the possible flood of beef and chicken coming the other way. When considering new trade deals we must look at the overall nett position of imports v exports. In simple terms I am afraid the US will never replace the EU market for lamb and a free trade deal with the US could be economic suicide for many British farmers in beef and lanb production, if we have no trade deal with the EU and a free trade deal with the US then....

we will get a trade deal it might be last minute -but it will happen

 

[gone up the hill]

Beeswax farms selling shearlings in Darlington today. 150 entered.

They have sold several hundred at Exeter over the last 2 months as well.

 

[gone up the hill]

Red across South west markets today for both prime lambs and cattle!

Lambs down 1 or 2pk

Cattle down from 4.5pk to 20pk.

 

[gone up the hill]

Oh and please go on the AHDB website and take the survey about changing the SQQ price bands and name.