Behaviour of the Public and Dominic Cummings

[SilliamWhale]

Absolutely - and all the more incentive for the rest of us to stay away and give them and other front-line workers the space they want to distance whilst on the move. I've been noticing the buses around here are almost always 100% empty too, which is very encouraging.

Yes now on that we totally agree.

 

[neilo]

Done a lot of harm to the Tory party this.

Diving in the polls - not that it really matters - but also upsetting a lot of backbench MPs who are already feeling the heat of their constituents.

I wonder how they’re doing in their new Northern constituencies? I bet all those ex-labour voters who jumped to ‘get it done’ are lapping up the them & us policy.

 

[JeepJeep]

I wonder how they’re doing in their new Northern constituencies? I bet all those ex-labour voters who jumped to ‘get it done’ are lapping up the them & us policy.

Ours is a complete clown. I've not seen much action and he's been in London for 6 weeks after coming out as gay and having nowhere to live. He said the Cummings thing was a non event in a cut and pasted reply. Then the next day he was in the news himself due to his wife having a party at weekend and the police being involved.

 

[capfits]

Durham Police have reportedly issued to fines for 2 individuals from the London area.

 

[M-J-G]

Surely the rule was stay at home unless there were special circumstances. The question is were there and all the huffing and puffing comes down to ones opinion on this.
surely we can have differing opinions without resorting to vitriol

Essential travel only.
Traveling half the length of the country and taking a further trip 30 miles away from base to make sure your eyesight is ok isn't essential.

In fairness to Boris (who I'm usually quite tough on) his home is a busy place so hed have been better away out of the way if he was ill.
But DC (who I quite admire) was taking the p!$$

 

[linga]

Essential travel only.
Traveling half the length of the country and taking a further trip 30 miles away from base to make sure your eyesight is ok isn't essential.

In fairness to Boris (who I'm usually quite tough on) his home is a busy place so hed have been better away out of the way if he was ill.
But DC (who I quite admire) was taking the p!$$

special circumstances .

Whether there were special circumstances or not is opinion. Yours might be different from mine.
All I am saying is you are as entitled to your opinion as I am to mine. It doesnt" reflect badly" or make either of us stupid, idiotic or any of the other implied insults that are freely bandied around.

 

[M-J-G]

special circumstances .

Whether there were special circumstances or not is opinion. Yours might be different from mine.
All I am saying is you are as entitled to your opinion as I am to mine. It doesnt" reflect badly" or make either of us stupid, idiotic or any of the other implied insults that are freely bandied around.

How can driving to a scenic town to test your eyesight be special circumstances.

Cummings is brighter than that, even if others are completely stupid.

 

[primmiemoo]

I saw a snippet of Johnson being grilled by the Committee yesterday. He still looks unwell.

Struggling to remember why the post of Deputy PM was dropped, and which party was in power. I know it seemed overkill when the post was brought in, but this is a period when a Deputy might be a good idea.

 

[fudge]

How can driving to a scenic town to test your eyesight be special circumstances.

Cummings is brighter than that, even if others are completely stupid.

I saw a snippet of Johnson being grilled by the Committee yesterday. He still looks unwell.

Struggling to remember why the post of Deputy PM was dropped, and which party was in power. I know it seemed overkill when the post was brought in, but this is a period when a Deputy might be a good idea.

Cummings is the de facto PM, that’s why he cannot be sacked.

 

[Ashtree]

I saw a snippet of Johnson being grilled by the Committee yesterday. He still looks unwell.

Struggling to remember why the post of Deputy PM was dropped, and which party was in power. I know it seemed overkill when the post was brought in, but this is a period when a Deputy might be a good idea.

Johnson is the deputy PM.

 

[primmiemoo]

Cummings is the de facto PM, that’s why he cannot be sacked.

That does seem to be the case. He isn't a Civil Servant, either - were he, he would have been out on his backside in April.

SPADs are a species of their own.

 

[linga]

How can driving to a scenic town to test your eyesight be special circumstances.

Cummings is brighter than that, even if others are completely stupid.

Well as I say your opinion might be different from mine ( and I am not offering up my opinion. I said might) but if I have a different opinion to you it makes neither of us stupid.

Whether any one else is thought to be stupid is also a matter of opinion.

Is the problem for you that ;
He drove ?
He went to a scenic town?
or
He tested his eyesight ?

 

[Henarar]

Durham Police have reportedly issued to fines for 2 individuals from the London area.

that's that then, justice done thread over

 

[turbo]

Durham Police have reportedly issued to fines for 2 individuals from the London area.

Well it’s not Cummings is it,where did you hear that from msm by any chance

 

[Farmer1001]

Well as I say your opinion might be different from mine ( and I am not offering up my opinion. I said might) but if I have a different opinion to you it makes neither of us stupid.

Whether any one else is thought to be stupid is also a matter of opinion.

Is the problem for you that ;
He drove ?
He went to a scenic town?
or
He tested his eyesight ?

You need to add this option
“He went home to check on his sick wife and then returned to work at No.10 within two hours, as such breached the most basic and obvious rule of isolation”.

 

[Highland Mule]

Statement in full, seems a reasonable response from the police and clears up some of the earlier mixed messages coming out of the force. It's notable that they were comfortable to state that the initial trip didn't break the law (but may have broken the government guidance) but they were not prepared to make the same judgement on the later one. There's not many lines to read between on that.

On 27 March 2020, Dominic Cummings drove to Durham to self-isolate in a property owned by his father.

Durham Constabulary does not consider that by locating himself at his father’s premises, Mr Cummings committed an offence contrary to regulation 6 of the Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (England) Regulations 2020. (We are concerned here with breaches of the Regulations, not the general Government guidance to “stay at home”.)

On 12 April 2020, Mr Cummings drove approximately 26 miles from his father’s property to Barnard Castle with his wife and son. He stated on 25 May 2020 that the purpose of this drive was to test his resilience to drive to London the following day, including whether his eyesight was sufficiently recovered, his period of self-isolation having ended.

Durham Constabulary have examined the circumstances surrounding the journey to Barnard Castle (including ANPR, witness evidence and a review of Mr Cummings’ press conference on 25 May 2020) and have concluded that there might have been a minor breach of the Regulations that would have warranted police intervention. Durham Constabulary view this as minor because there was no apparent breach of social distancing.

Had a Durham Constabulary police officer stopped Mr Cummings driving to or from Barnard Castle, the officer would have spoken to him, and, having established the facts, likely advised Mr Cummings to return to the address in Durham, providing advice on the dangers of travelling during the pandemic crisis. Had this advice been accepted by Mr Cummings, no enforcement action would have been taken.

In line with Durham Constabulary’s general approach throughout the pandemic, there is no intention to take retrospective action in respect of the Barnard Castle incident since this would amount to treating Mr Cummings differently from other members of the public. Durham Constabulary has not taken retrospective action against any other person.

By way of further context, Durham Constabulary has followed Government guidance on management of alleged breaches of the regulations with the emphasis on the NPCC and College of Policing 4Es: Engage, Explain and Encourage before Enforcement.

Finally, commentary in the media has suggested that Mr Cummings was in Durham on 19 April 2020. Mr Cummings denies this and Durham Constabulary have seen insufficient evidence to support this allegation.

Therefore Durham Constabulary will take no further action in this matter and has informed Mr Cummings of this decision.

 

[linga]

You need to add this option
“He went home to check on his sick wife and then returned to work at No.10 within two hours, as such breached the most basic and obvious rule of isolation”.

No I don’t. I am not arguing about the rights or wrongs. I am just bemused by the ever more common rush to insult and vitriol

 

[bobk]

Statement in full, seems a reasonable response from the police and clears up some of the earlier mixed messages coming out of the force. It's notable that they were comfortable to state that the initial trip didn't break the law (but may have broken the government guidance) but they were not prepared to make the same judgement on the later one. There's not many lines to read between on that.

Job done , the press can hound someone else now

 

[Highland Mule]

Job done , the press can hound someone else now

I understand your position, but I suspect not.

 

[Henarar]

Statement in full, seems a reasonable response from the police and clears up some of the earlier mixed messages coming out of the force. It's notable that they were comfortable to state that the initial trip didn't break the law (but may have broken the government guidance) but they were not prepared to make the same judgement on the later one. There's not many lines to read between on that.

job done thread over