Blood sucking ahdb

[Highland Mule]

I wonder how it would look as a percentage based on profit?
I have no idea why anything would be based on turnover ?

Profit’s tricky though - a good accountant could make any business look bad, for the right incentive, and a bad farmer could lose money doing something that a good one would make a fortune from.

Much harder to cheat the top line than than the bottom one, and fairer on all, I’d think.

 

[White rabbit]

I wonder how it would look as a percentage based on profit?
I have no idea why anything would be based on turnover ?

yes henarar and now they are starting to see how unfair it has been all these years ,saphir has finally said it's wrong pity Peter Kendall failed to see it.We will see what support they have in the next few months that's if they ever call a vote considering there is no time limit,some of the comments we are getting back with the replies is unbelievable,one grower had a chap on site for 2days going through all his books checking how much fuel his manager used each day in his truck and wanted to know the mileage he travelled,he said he thought a tax inspection would be a walk in the park compared to what he went through,at least the livestock sector and the arable sector would never have to endure anything like this.

 

[Highland Mule]

Let’s just put the “unequal levy“ claim to bed right now, shall we?

Beef Cattle - £5.40/hd. Typical sale price of around £1200-£1400. So around 0.45%-0.39% of value.

Sheep - £0.80/hd. Typical sale of £80-£120. So roughly 1%- 0.8% of value.

Milk 0.06p/l. Typical sale of 35-30p. So roughly 0.2% of turnover.

Horticulture - 0.45% of turnover.

Cereals - 55p - 60p, depending on processor. Typical sale £150-£200/t - roughly 0.25% of turnover.

Where am I wrong with these numbers?

 

[Breakthru]

Let’s just put the “unequal levy“ claim to bed right now, shall we?

Beef Cattle - £5.40/hd. Typical sale price of around £1200-£1400. So around 0.45%-0.39% of value.

Sheep - £0.80/hd. Typical sale of £80-£120. So roughly 1%- 0.8% of value.

Milk 0.06p/l. Typical sale of 35-30p. So roughly 0.2% of turnover.

Horticulture - 0.45% of turnover.

Cereals - 55p - 60p, depending on processor. Typical sale £150-£200/t - roughly 0.25% of turnover.

Where am I wrong with these numbers?

I think your figures are excellent. However the argument revolves around what you/we get for the money. It's got nothing to do with affordability it's all to do with are they value for money or just a quango with highly paid jobs for the boys and girls with the right connections.
I have held the view for the last 30 years they are a waste of space in terms of value for money.

 

[Highland Mule]

I think your figures are excellent. However the argument revolves around what you/we get for the money. It's got nothing to do with affordability it's all to do with are they value for money or just a quango with highly paid jobs for the boys and girls with the right connections.
I have held the view for the last 30 years they are a waste of space in terms of value for money.

so if the numbers are right, why is @White rabbit claiming they pay more than other sectors? Repeatedly claiming that too?

As I’ve written all along, I have no real opinion on value, but despise when lies are stated as fact.

 

[Breakthru]

so if the numbers are right, why is @White rabbit claiming they pay more than other sectors? Repeatedly claiming that too?

As I’ve written all along, I have no real opinion on value, but despise when lies are stated as fact.

He is paying a lot of money for nothing in return. That essentially is his problem as it would be mine. I pay for value and in restaurants etc tip well if I get good service otherwise as a quintessential tight Jock give zip.

 

[White rabbit]

Let’s just put the “unequal levy“ claim to bed right now, shall we?

Beef Cattle - £5.40/hd. Typical sale price of around £1200-£1400. So around 0.45%-0.39% of value.

Sheep - £0.80/hd. Typical sale of £80-£120. So roughly 1%- 0.8% of value.

Milk 0.06p/l. Typical sale of 35-30p. So roughly 0.2% of turnover.

Horticulture - 0.45% of turnover.

Cereals - 55p - 60p, depending on processor. Typical sale £150-£200/t - roughly 0.25% of turnover.

Where am I wrong with these numbers?

If I were you highland mule I would get your backside into gear and do what we are doing ,nobody in our industry can afford these parasites,according to three of my neighbours who keep cattle the margins are minuscule.

 

[An Gof]

Was in a meeting this week where an AHDB report was given. Some interesting comments, I’m not sure that even if you force a ballot and win that anything will change very quickly. Comments made about need to change the SI and little if any parliamentary time available at present for such legislation aka kicking it into the long grass.

 

[White rabbit]

Was in a meeting this week where an AHDB report was given. Some interesting comments, I’m not sure that even if you force a ballot and win that anything will change very quickly. Comments made about need to change the SI and little if any parliamentary time available at present for such legislation aka kicking it into the long grass.

An gof if you need any advice from the ahdb you must start to question what you are doing,most of the advice we receive from these comedians I would question if they could farm a plant pot.

 

[Highland Mule]

If I were you highland mule I would get your backside into gear and do what we are doing ,nobody in our industry can afford these parasites,according to three of my neighbours who keep cattle the margins are minuscule.

@Henarar would have a better idea of margins on cattle than me, but they’re certainly better than you suggest and way ahead of the 1% you claim for your own enterprise.

How genuine is the 1% anyway? You must have a fair percentage of turnover going to service the interest on company debt - probably a load more than your 1%, I’d guess?

Oh, and I’m not in England, so AHDB isn’t directly relevant to me, but if it was I certainly wouldn’t be approaching things like you. I’d perhaps write to request a ballot but I definitely wouldn’t be wasting money on impotent surveys, libelling the staff and embarrassing myself as you are.

 

[Breakthru]

Was in a meeting this week where an AHDB report was given. Some interesting comments, I’m not sure that even if you force a ballot and win that anything will change very quickly. Comments made about need to change the SI and little if any parliamentary time available at present for such legislation aka kicking it into the long grass.

Civil servants protecting other CS cosy little domains. hopefully the fallout from chinflu will start the draining of the swamp. I lol when the CS guys who wanted paid the same rate as Bankers, forgetting that 10% get paid off each year.
When their contracts came to an end and because as with 90% of them they were deemed useless they were highly surprised to be let go with no big pay off! You get for you wish for!!!

 

[White rabbit]

@Henarar would have a better idea of margins on cattle than me, but they’re certainly better than you suggest and way ahead of the 1% you claim for your own enterprise.

How genuine is the 1% anyway? You must have a fair percentage of turnover going to service the interest on company debt - probably a load more than your 1%, I’d guess?

Oh, and I’m not in England, so AHDB isn’t directly relevant to me, but if it was I certainly wouldn’t be approaching things like you. I’d perhaps write to request a ballot but I definitely wouldn’t be wasting money on impotent surveys, libelling the staff and embarrassing myself as you are.

I hope highland mule you are not still hanging on to the notion that the review started this outpouring of the ahdb wanting to listen to levy payers,thing are going to change,and all the other rubbish the want us to swallow.

 

[Highland Mule]

I hope highland mule you are not still hanging on to the notion that the review started this outpouring of the ahdb wanting to listen to levy payers,thing are going to change,and all the other rubbish the want us to swallow.

Frankly, AHDB has far more credibility to an impartial observer like myself than you have with your campaign.

 

[White rabbit]

Frankly, AHDB has far more credibility to an impartial observer like myself than you have with your campaign.

Well highland mule to quote Mandy rice-Davis you would say that wouldn't you

 

[Highland Mule]

Well highland mule to quote Mandy rice-Davis you would say that wouldn't you

From the outside, your lies shine brightly.

 

[An Gof]

An gof if you need any advice from the ahdb you must start to question what you are doing,most of the advice we receive from these comedians I would question if they could farm a plant pot.

Cant agree on that. I have had some excellent advice and technical information from AHDB. But my business TO is but a Fraction of yours.

 

[White rabbit]

Cant agree on that. I have had some excellent advice and technical information from AHDB. But my business TO is but a Fraction of yours.

Fair comment an gof if you think you are getting value for money carry on paying I haven't a problem with that.

 

[White rabbit]

From the outside, your lies shine brightly.

Do you know highland mule you are quick to criticise I wonder if you have ever challenged anything even you thought it wrong.

 

[Henarar]

Profit’s tricky though - a good accountant could make any business look bad, for the right incentive, and a bad farmer could lose money doing something that a good one would make a fortune from.

Much harder to cheat the top line than than the bottom one, and fairer on all, I’d think.

I think TO is BS

 

[Goweresque]

I think TO is BS

Why? If you base levies on profit that effectively means the profitable subsidise the unprofitable. Plus of course profit is a very moveable feast. Do you base it on accounting profit or taxable profit? Big difference. Why should two farmers who produce exactly the same amount of output pay different amounts of levy? If The AHDB are doing the job they say they do and increasing demand and prices for products both will benefit equally. So why shouldn't they pay in equally?

Plus it would be very easy to game. Farmer A makes £25k profit and pays his levy based on that. Farmer B makes the same underlying profit but pays his wife a £25k salary as 'Farm administrator' , and pays no levy. Farmer C runs his business as a company and pays himself all the profits as salary and pays no levy. And of course many farms have non-farming streams of income nowadays, so you'd have to extract that from the accounts, otherwise the person who runs a camp site or some small industrial units on their farm would have to pay extra AHDB levies based on the profits from that.

Turnover is easy to calculate and very hard to game. Profit is very hard to calculate in a manner that compares like with like, and is very easy to game.