Boris Johnson unveils ‘grow for Britain’ plan

Ffermer Bach

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Livestock Farmer
Not sure who's going to pick all this extra fruit and veg. Maybe we'll all just steal it from the fields like other third world countries....
I don't think anyone will ever steal veggies here from the fields, as it may need washing and cooking before eating, remember we are a country that sells ready cut carrots or runner beans etc in the supermarkets ready to cook or even ready hard boiled eggs!!!!!
 

Grass And Grain

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Yorks
With the planning thing, presume they're angling at making it easier to get permission for polytunnels or greenhouses. That's a start, as is allowing migrant workers for poultry processing, but if borris wants more mushrooms and greenhouses, then might be a good idea to allow foreign workers for horticulture or even dairy, spuds, pigs, etc.

Will be interesting to hear how borris intends to...

Monday’s strategy will announce a “focus on pioneering more organic-based fertilisers”

...not sure where this will be sourced from - I guess sewage cake, which as long as microplastics are dealt with, and if EA allow the phosphate loadings, then better on the land than pumped directly into watercourses. Come to think about it, if EA complain about phosphate from sewage cake, they should understand spreading it sensibly over farm land will cause much lower river phosphate levels than pumping it straight into the river!!!
 

Boysground

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Wiltshire
I was watching Tom Pemberton's YouTube channel and his Dad said something like "Does George Eustace think there is a mountain of Cow Muck just lying around waiting to be spread on land to replace prilled Nitrogen?"

Of course he could mean sewage cake, however, does that mean DEFRA is encouraging spreading micro plastics over all the farm land in the UK? Rather short sighted if it is!

So having spent yesterday reading the farming rules for water and some more online info I would like George to tell me how I can use his wonderful organic fertiliser here.

I have just about 700 ac and about 100 of that is permanent pasture some is too steep to drive on. We have been slowly building the herd to now just about 400, some of the replacements are elsewhere in the winter.
I’ve been good and have decent organic matter in most of my thin chalk soils. Fym and slurry has been used on all crops. I have had really good results with slurry on wheat in the spring. I also export a lot of muck to neighbours. I haven’t bought phosphate or potash for at least 25 years.

The problem is that of all the land I can get a tanker or umbilical on less than 30ac has a P index less than 3. So if I get a zealous inspector here will I have my business shut down? I think it’s impossible to export all my slurry/fym. I know the rules say you can spread if all alternatives are explored.

Frankly I’m worried

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Dartmoor Prison's "home farm" will be selling all their livestock and will go all out growing wheat, avocados, raspberries and bananas for sale to westcountry schools hospitals etc. Plymouth Hospitals NHS Trust are already saying that Christmas dinner for patients this year will be Dartmoor grown banana sandwiches and raspberry ripple non dairy ice cream.

Meanwhile the local Nuffield private hospital will offer Dartmoor grown roast beef and lamb sourced from farmers that actually know what the feck they are doing
 

Ffermer Bach

Member
Livestock Farmer
With the planning thing, presume they're angling at making it easier to get permission for polytunnels or greenhouses. That's a start, as is allowing migrant workers for poultry processing, but if borris wants more mushrooms and greenhouses, then might be a good idea to allow foreign workers for horticulture or even dairy, spuds, pigs, etc.

Will be interesting to hear how borris intends to...

Monday’s strategy will announce a “focus on pioneering more organic-based fertilisers”

...not sure where this will be sourced from - I guess sewage cake, which as long as microplastics are dealt with, and if EA allow the phosphate loadings, then better on the land than pumped directly into watercourses. Come to think about it, if EA complain about phosphate from sewage cake, they should understand spreading it sensibly over farm land will cause much lower river phosphate levels than pumping it straight into the river!!!
Rather than phasing out eating meat, for the planet we should be aiming to phase out non biodegradable clothes (and therefore a lot of micro plastics), clothes from Wool, Leather, Cotton, Linen, Hemp even Cotton is a bit dodgy and I heard a radio programme about Bamboo saying the way it's treated is very bad for the environment. At least animal based clothes don't leave a trail of environmental pollution far outlasting the generations who would have worn them.
 

Boysground

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Mixed Farmer
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Wiltshire
Rather than phasing out eating meat, for the planet we should be aiming to phase out non biodegradable clothes (and therefore a lot of micro plastics), clothes from Wool, Leather, Cotton, Linen, Hemp even Cotton is a bit dodgy and I heard a radio programme about Bamboo saying the way it's treated is very bad for the environment. At least animal based clothes don't leave a trail of environmental pollution far outlasting the generations who would have worn them.

ive walked fields spread with digestate. The plastic was very easy to spot

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Grass And Grain

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Yorks
Rather than phasing out eating meat, for the planet we should be aiming to phase out non biodegradable clothes (and therefore a lot of micro plastics), clothes from Wool, Leather, Cotton, Linen, Hemp even Cotton is a bit dodgy and I heard a radio programme about Bamboo saying the way it's treated is very bad for the environment. At least animal based clothes don't leave a trail of environmental pollution far outlasting the generations who would have worn them.
👍 Makes sense to make clothes from renewable and biodegradable materials.
 
I'm incredibly curious how they are going to make "changes to planning rules to make it easier to convert land into farms".

Where are they going to find this spare land that currently isn't being used as farms?


Fruit & Veg farms - in other words Green Houses.

It'll take at least a year just to put up the Green Houses and probably another year to get the planning & construction firm to do so.

Not sure how long it will take to grow the crops .. all hot air & p@ss IMHO.
 

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